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Kubicki owners,advice.

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by 73jbass, Nov 30, 2005.


  1. 73jbass

    73jbass Supporting Member

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ellenwood,Ga.
    I aquired a nice X-factor (post Fender) about a month ago,and I've really gotten attached to it.I went to restring it yesterday,following the proper procedures,and I can't get the "G" string to pitch.Well,It will get to pitch,but if the string streches at all,I can't tune any higher because the knob runs out of travel.Did I miss something? I've taken the string off 3 times,and started over with the same results everytime.I'm following the restringing procedure to the letter,so I don't know what else to do.Any advice is greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Steve Clark

    Steve Clark Supporting Member

    Jan 9, 2004
    London ON
    You've run out of travel but also could look at it as too much string for travel.

    So one solution would be to start with a shorter string. Compare the overal length of the one you took off with your new one. Is the old one shorter? Might be a place to start. It's a few years since I have had my Kubicki. I got rid of it as my hair started thinning. :D

    The other thing to do is to unwind the 'wheel' as much as possible before installing the new string. You will see that silver release moving as you unwind the wheel.

    Am I making any sense?
     
  3. JAUQO III-X

    JAUQO III-X Banned

    Jan 4, 2002
    CHICAGO,IL.
    Endorsing artist:see profile.
  4. Baryonyx

    Baryonyx Banned

    Jul 11, 2005
    Marathon Man
    I had the same problem with my Kubicki...I even made a similar thread here (I see Juaqo has kindly provided a link for you)

    All I can say is, make sure the string going on is the same length as the one coming off. Also, you may need to wrap more of it round the bridge wheel. When taking it round the wheel, go slow. Pull the wheell a little bit, release the lever. Pull it again, and release.
     
  5. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    turn the tuning knob ALL the way loose, then use as much pressure as it takes to get the the string wheel to go ONE MORE click toward being tight. I used to use the soft handle of a pair of needle nose pliars I had to push it one farther than my fingers could. Then you'll have plenty of range.

    Kubikis are great, but operating them is a labor of love.
     
  6. 73jbass

    73jbass Supporting Member

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ellenwood,Ga.
    Here is what i did. I cut the string to get about 1 full turn on the wheel,I make sure the tuning knob is all the way out,insert the string, and take up the slack by rotating the wheel by hand until it won't go anymore.Then I use the tuning knob to get to pitch.I can just get to pitch,but if the string streches,I can't raise the pitch anymore. From what I gathered,the actual string length shouldn't matter.Since you are taking up the initial slack by hand,you could have 1 full turn,or 3 turns on the wheel before using the tuning knob.So,I really don't see how string length matters. I'm stil puzzled!(lol) I emailed Phil yesterday,and hopefully I'll hear back from him soon.I hate that I'm having difficulty with this,because I really love the bass. I hope to get a second one pretty soon,and I'm definitely getting a 5 string after the first of the year.Any of you guys ever player or owned a Key5? Just curious. Thanks for all the input!
     
  7. Baryonyx

    Baryonyx Banned

    Jul 11, 2005
    Marathon Man
    I emailed Phil about string changing on my bass. He gave me his phone number and said I was welcome to call him. Sadly it was not possible for me, being English, he said he could tell me how to do it in detail...and I can see that costing big $$$.

    I would say that Kubicki's are a minor labour of love. Once you figure out the way to operate them, they're easy to use and absolutley brilliant basses!



    Here is my Kubicki, a 1989 Fender model from before the cost cutting, it still has the orginal components of the Ex Factor, but it has the custom shop logo on the back of the headstock, serial number 1777. Perfect for those Rush and Stuart Hamm licks!

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  8. Kitsapbass

    Kitsapbass What key is this?

    May 26, 2005
    Fife, WA
    OK bro, here's what you do -

    Take the string, cut it within 1-2 lengths of the wheel (if you cut it too short, it won't cinch - I know this for a fact). Loosen the tuner as much as possible. Put the string in the hole on the tuning wheel/gear and then hand tighten, but before you do that do NOT set it on the bridge saddle. Tighten the string as far as you can by hand pressure, then use a straight screwdriver/needle nose pliers to get one more "click". Then put the string on the saddle and tune normally. I only change my strings about 4 times a year (my sweat isn't too corrosive I guess), but I still get a great sound with this bass. PM me if you have more problems.
     
  9. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    Right. You have to get the wheel to go one click farther before you start tuning. It is just that simple.
     
  10. 73jbass

    73jbass Supporting Member

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ellenwood,Ga.
    Well,that one extra click did make a difference. It would have been nice to have had that info in the manual! OK,I feel better now. Thanks guys! BTW,any of you guys played or owned a Key Factor 5? I'm kind of toying with the idea of getting one of those next.Then a fretless,then,oh who knows? I appreciate the help.
     
  11. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    Never played the 5, I imagine its quite good. Another interesting thing with factors is that Phil makes 34" scale necks with no D-tuner that will retrofit onto an Ex-Factor with no modifications. If I had known that at the time I might not have sold mine.
     
  12. 73jbass

    73jbass Supporting Member

    Apr 17, 2004
    Ellenwood,Ga.
    I tried something else that worked real well.String up,and take up the slack with the string off to the side of the saddle. Then I pulled the string up on to the saddle,and didn't have to give the wheel that extra click.Worked perfect.
     
  13. do i have to post pix of my old stuart hamm kubicki :D number 1516 06 89 :D , one of the first FCS, used by stuart hamm on tour with mick jagger and joe satriani in australia...

    (prepares to be shot) :ninja:
     
  14. Kitsapbass

    Kitsapbass What key is this?

    May 26, 2005
    Fife, WA
    'fraid so, Heath. I'm afraid so, because that's just how it is, period. :smug:
     
  15. Kitsapbass

    Kitsapbass What key is this?

    May 26, 2005
    Fife, WA
    SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :hyper:
     
  16. threshar

    threshar

    Jul 30, 2002
    Yep - the trick I found with my kubicki is to first cut the string down to the right size (easiest to use the former string as a reference). Then plug it into the wheel, tighten with your hand. Now - When I first got the beast I had the same exact problem you did (Running out of "turning" on the wheels). So what I do is use a flathead screwdriver that is slightly wide (enough to span across both sets of teeth) and use that to get myself one more "click". You should then have plenty of room for dealing with stretch.

    What sucks is if one of teh teeth on the wheel breaks - or in my case, wears down enough that it can't hold a load. This tooth will of course be the one holding hte load when you're "in tune". So when I tune up I have to make sure to start with the wheel at a certain offset.

    So sad, I don't use my kubicki that much nowadays. I upgraded to an Urge II :)
     
  17. Baryonyx

    Baryonyx Banned

    Jul 11, 2005
    Marathon Man
    Not sure if I'd call it an uprgrade Jeff, more of a sidestep...I know the Urge basses are cracking things, but I don't like them as much as Kubicki's...