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Kustom amp for double bass

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by RDT, Jul 28, 2012.


  1. Any thoughts on running a double bass thru a vintage Kustom rig? Either a 200 or 250. I currently play thru a shuttlemax thru either an orange 115 or peavey 215, mic'd FOH. I recently joined a rock a billy/big band/jazz group and thought a tuck and roll Kustom would be nice eye candy on stage.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. christw

    christw Get low!

    May 11, 2008
    Dayton OH
    I want to be Tesla (tinkerer at Dayton Amp Co)
    It'd look sure cool and if you get the JBL loaded cabs, it'll have some kick to it. I'd prefer an equally good looking Earth or Plush brand tuck n roll tube amp myself. ;)

    Check out this monster:

    P-cat9.

    I one breifly had one of the Plush G2000 with a 215 reloaded with some Eminence speakers and it sounded huge. I think they were some sort of Fender clone? I wish I still had it.
     
  3. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    I owned a Kasino 200 amplifier. It was a huge box loaded with 2x15's and weighed a ton. At the time the only DB pickups around were the Barcus Berry, a little silver bar that attached to the bridge with white putty, and the Polytone that spanned the inside of the bridge feet with a knurled brass screw. They both sounded pretty awful, into the Kasino. That head was built as an amp for electric basses.
    The amps from that period that sounded great with DB were the Ampeg B-15N, B-15S, BT 15, B25B, V4B (provided you used a different cabinet). I've even seen players use the SVT for this.
    I realize that the SVT's and B-15's have become collectibles, and thus are very expensive. I have seen the various versions of the BT 15's at reasonable prices. Another possibility is the Guild Thunderbass. I used one with DB years ago and I liked the sound. Eye candy aside, you can't beat the older Ampeg's with Double Bass. IMHO

    Ric
     
  4. Bert Slide

    Bert Slide

    May 16, 2012
    Louisville KY
    Wow what a perfect thread to stumble on since I just brought home my first DB, a used Shen SB-180 with brand new Spirocores. I have the following EB rigs was hoping one would work OK for DB and now I'm really encouraged by your comments above.

    1) Kustom 200 black tuck and roll with 2x15 with upgraded modern speakers. Can't remember what they are, I just bought it for cool factor and it looks and performs awesome in my living room as a practice amp. Sounds good.

    2) Early 70's V-4B with custom Low Down Sound 2x15/2x6.

    3) 90's SVT-CL and 810 cab.

    4) GK 400rbII with SWR Goliath 4x10


    Can't wait to hear how the bass will sound through these amps when I get a pickup. Any recommendations for a pickup that might work well with these amps?
     
  5. Wild Rice Chris

    Wild Rice Chris

    May 7, 2005
    Palatine, IL
    Rice Custom Guitars, Inc
    I've played through my dad's Kustom 250 with 2x15 on DB. It is greatly improved by using an HPF. Those cabs have some serious low end rumble.
     
  6. Wild Rice Chris

    Wild Rice Chris

    May 7, 2005
    Palatine, IL
    Rice Custom Guitars, Inc
    If you're anywhere near Chicago, I know of a gold 200 with 2x15 for a good price.
     
  7. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Bert,
    Of each of the three rigs, I would suggest that you use the GK 400RB and with your LDS 2x15, 2x6. Don's cabinets are better suited to the upright IMHO, and the Gallien Krueger 400RB has a 1 meg ohm input that's going to work with a piezo pickup. Most folks use either a Realist (copper foil version) or the Fishman Full Circle. With the larger speaker area you have in your cabinets, I think I'd go with the Full Circle, as it will be less prone to feeding back. Just my take. I've actually heard Rockabilly players use SVT's with 8x10's, but you would need a sophisticated graphic EQ to tame the feedback. Personally, I wouldn't want to haul a SVT and Double Bass together, that's way to much gear. Does your Kustom 200 have that 3 way Selectone and 6 way Selective Boost Switches, that were on the Kasino 200? Those might help with the midrange EA on a Double Bass. As Wild Rice Chris says, you're definitely going to need a FDeck/HPF Pre or something like it.
    to tame the low end of all those dual 15 cabs.


    Ric
     
  8. Bert Slide

    Bert Slide

    May 16, 2012
    Louisville KY
    Thanks for the info Ric. I was thinking the GK too because it has such a great clean sound but was unsure which cabinet.

    The Kustom has two channels Bright and Normal and each channel has low and high imputs and an on/off Bright boost knob. For EB I use low imput on Normal channel with Bright off.

    photo.
     
  9. Ric Vice

    Ric Vice Supporting Member

    Jul 2, 2005
    Olivette, Missouri
    Bert Slide,
    I would still say that Don's cabinets are very good DB cabinets. I have a LDS 2x8 Three Way that he built in 2006. He used B&C 8" Neodymium Drivers and built a stellar box for Double Bass and Electric as well. He has a real knack for building multiple driver boxes with crossovers.
    My Kasino 200 is very different from the Kustom.
    In the picture you can see all the additional controls that change the midrange voice of the amp and boost the bass.
    At the time they were built, they were aimed at the country market, but they had more advanced pre amps.
    Bud Ross was pretty savvy, because with Kustom and Kasino he could sell products, in different markets, from music retailers, located in the same town.

    Ric
     

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