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Laid off.

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Mike M., Dec 18, 2013.

  1. Mike M.

    Mike M.

    Feb 14, 2010
    Yep....I actually got the word on December 4th. I'm still counting my blessing and grateful for what I have, but I'm still feeling bad about it. Thank God I don't drink or smoke pot!

    Gang, I'm just a 60 year old workhorse who's really starting to feel the aches and pains of it all. My right knee is giving me a lot of grief and I've got arthritis starting in my lower back which translates into not being able to stand for long periods at a time. I'm also showing traces of carpel tunnel developing in both hands. Safe to say I'm not a spring chicken anymore. My eyes are also getting real bad which also maes things difficult.

    I was working in the inspection department of a CNC machine shop. But what I do is really nothing that's very specialized, so to say. I guess you could say that I do the "grunt work" while others do the more advanced work. I've been doing the job search online, been making calls and nobody is doing any hiring. To make it a bit worse, if you don't meet the requirements they'd rather not talk to you. Simply put, if you need any training, if you have to ask any questions, if you can't walk right in and do the job then don't waste our time regardless of what experience you have. But I'm still going out today with copies of my resume to take to some shops in the area.

    I've been laid off before from the same company and got called back but I admit I'm having a harder time dealing with it this time around. It's like, where does an old aching workhorse with no real skills go? What's next? Hard to say if or when I might be called back so I have to look around. Hate to say it but I admit I'm feeling a bit lost right now. Not feeling sorry for myself, just lost. But I'll keep looking.

    Sorry. Just felt like getting it out.
  2. Sorry to hear this, it's never a good time to be laid off, but this time of year will certainly sting more!

    Keeping the chin up and getting out there is going to be your best bet, years of experience are still valued by many and I'm sure you won't have too much of a struggle. All the best!
  3. PAC

    PAC Banned

    Nov 22, 2013
    You really didn't specify your skill set. Do you run a CMM or do surface plate work? Also you didn't specify set-up, in- process or final inspection. The field is wide open as almost manufacturing operation requires QC. A lot of company's are ISO, which opens many doors for you. Sit down, write your skills down, talk to recruiters, and any other contacts you have. I wish you the best. Don't sell yourself short.


  4. Uncle K

    Uncle K The bass player doesn't get a sandwich Supporting Member

    Aug 22, 2011
    Erie, PA
    Sorry to hear that, Mike. Have you thought about the civil service exam?
  5. Mike M.

    Mike M.

    Feb 14, 2010
    Thanks guys. PAC....yes, I do run a CMM. The only problem is that the software used is as antiquated as it gets. Fact is, they stopped giving customer support for it back in 2002! That in itself poses a problem. Back in 2009 when I first got laid off, my coworker also got laid off. He's much, much more knowledegable that I am and he knows how to program the CMM's. But even he couldn't get a job back then because he didn't know the latest and greatest programming software! He said they basically laughed at him! I'm not giving up hope, just telling it like it is.

    As far as my abilities....I check the various operations of parts we run (roughing, semi-finished and finished parts) on the CMM and if there's a problem I let the operators know. Everything I need to know is within the report. Flatness, parallelism, roundness, feature locations....it's all there. As a result my blue print reading skills aren't the best and it's next to never when I have to look at a print for anything. As mentioned, this is what I meant by "grunt work." Get the part, clean it, check it and move to the next. Bamm, bamm and that's it. Occasionally I'll fix a sticky gage for someone or will set up a new one if needed.

    Agent77....No, I've never given any thought to a civil service exam. But I'll look into it. Thanks for the suggestion!

    As far as programming, capability studies for the newer jobs, writing checksheets based on the blue prints...I'm not involved in any of that. I was basically brought in to assist with checking the parts on a daily basis and nothing more than that. Fact is, prior to getting laid off I was the only one who was checking the parts because my co worker was buried in programming.

    Well, I'm going to hit the road with resumes in hand. Oh yeah.....to top it off, yesterday the fan in my car developed a problem! (I started a thread about that). So I've got to get my car in soon to get that fixed! When it rains it pours!
  6. Yeah Mike I know the feeling. When it rains it usually comes in 3's so there could be number three around the corner.

    Wait for it and deal with it as it comes.

    Do you know how to do machining outside of a CNC machine? Are you willing to travel?

    I work for Westinghouse and we are always looking for field machinists.
  7. Yep I do construction. Been with this company about 6 years.never a pink slip nothing.They just tell US,every year around December "your all set,call the office. What makes it so bad is this year I hurt my back the day after I got laid off. So now I can't walk, sit nothing I am bed ridden.I have a gig Saturday night I have practice tonight and tomorrow night. It's gonna be one of those practices. What I have to sit down. Yes I have to get out of construction.
  8. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Phillipsburg, NJ
    It's important to find out everything you can at your unemployment office. There are many many programs available to you. There's free training, Resume help, Job search help. Look at it all like 1/2 vacation and 1/2 job search. Try to get a skill that you can count on to land you a job when you are ready to go back to work.
  9. blastoff99


    Dec 17, 2011
    SW WA
    Mike, I'm sorry.

    I don't have job suggestions (heck, if I did, I'd be taking them myself!), but I do have a thought about arthritis:

    I used to work in a job where I was assembling small parts. Over the last couple of years there, I got increasingly clumsy and slow, and my finger joints hurt all the time. I could barely bend my fingers. It was very frustrating to watch my productivity go down - and the pain level wasn't good, either.

    My PCP said it was just plain old osteoarthritis, and suggested Move Free and a couple other things. No luck. Then someone suggested a product called Zyflamend Whole Body. It's an herbal supplement. Nothing to lose but a few bucks, right? So I tried it.

    A week later, I was in less pain. A month later, I had most of my ROM back. Two months later, I could make fists without pain.

    It's just a thought. It doesn't work for everyone, but apparently it helps most people to one degree or another.

    Amazon's the place to get it. It's much more expensive everywhere else.

    Sorry, but that's the only help I've got to offer. Good luck!
  10. fishtx

    fishtx Supporting Member

    Mar 30, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    Endorsing Artist: Spector Basses/Genz Benz - RIP/Mojo Hand FX
    Sorry to hear this Mike...I hate hearing stories like this. I too am in a similar boat. I'm 55 and have been laid off a couple of times. I am currently working, but can't save anything anymore because of lower wages and criminal acts by the Government, but lets not get political.

    Our Generation has been abandoned from several different angles (corporate, Government, etc...). I fear I will never be able to retire because of lost benefits...even though for 30 years I have worked hard and tried to do all the right things we were told to do in order to prepare for retirement (401K, Pension, SSN, etc)...most of which are now gone or under attack.

    I feel for you and the rest of us in the same boat...
  11. slobake

    slobake resident ... something Supporting Member

    Sorry the hear this Mike. I went through a similiar experience. When I was about 50 I did some serious damage to my ankle. I tried to continue working as a telecommunications technician but it was very painful. Also the technology had finally gone past me. There was a time when I was on top of things but that time was over. I knew they were going to let me go at my job so I resigned and went back to school and studied jounalism.
    After two years and time as the editor on the college paper I had a pretty good portfolio. Several people were intersted in taking me on as an intern but as soon as they met me that evaporated. Nothing was ever said but I'm guessing it was my age.
    Meanwhile we had several family members get real sick and eventually die. I was able to supply hospice care for them. I also was really there for my wife during a very tough time for her.
    Meanwhile I was doing temp work to make a little money, help keep me sane and out of trouble.:p No one seemed interested in hiring me for any job.
    At my temp job in the file room I showed up on time, worked hard and had a good attitude. That company eventually offered me a full time job as a credentialing specialist. They were willinng to train me. So here I am five years later. The job doesn't pay a lot but I have good benefits, flexible time and four weeks vacation a year. :hyper: Also I sit at a desk most of the time. It is a really good fit for me at this time of my life. I am in my early sixties.
    I don't know if this is a path you would consider or even if it would work for you. It does sound like you need a new trade though. According to my boss people like me who show up on time, work hard and are grateful to have a job are good employees.
    I pray this encourages you.
  12. Mike M.

    Mike M.

    Feb 14, 2010
    I'll have to look into this...and that IS of a big help!

    Despite what pain I may be experiencing, the job I got laid off from is actually the ideal job for me because I'm doing a variety of movements all day. Hauling heavy parts with a pallet jack, bending, climbing, lots of walking with brief periods of sitting or standing. Nothing is overdone and it does help keep me somewhat limber. It's when I sit or stand for long periods that the pain comes on. If I sit too long my knees stiffen up real bad. If I stand too long then a real bad pressure starts developing in my lower back. So as long as I can keep moving on the job as I did then I'm pretty much okay as long as I don't over do anything.

    I drove around today and left my resume at three shops. They're not hiring but they gladly took my resume and said they'd put it into thier data bases. Right now that's about all I can do. There's a lot of shops out there so all I can do is to get online, see what's out there and pass my info out to them.

    It was a bit sad to see how many empty shops are still around. Must have passed about 15 places that were once thriving that are now empty and up for lease. I guess 2008 is not over for a lot of people. Very sad.

    But I'm hopeful. Something very good just may come out of this. Sorry to hear that some of you have also gone thru or are also going thru this. I've been there three times now since 2009 and I also feel for you guys and I really mean that. All we can do is to keep the faith, my brothers.

    You guys are the best! God bless all!
  13. Faith moves mountains! I quit a career I had after 15 years with a company that I thought I would be with for the long haul.

    I have no regrets at this point. I took a year to look for a job and drew unemployment. I found Westinghouse and through some amazing people have had a good year this year.

    Better than expected for a new job and the first year. I went through a temp service because that is how they do things.

    Now they are pushing to get me hired on full time.

    Old doors shut and new doors will open. Higher powers know what you need to do and they will guide you in that direction for your own well being.

    Keep your chin up Mike and everyone else. Help each other where you can.

    Keep us posted.
  14. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    If there are that many shops in your area, you are probably in a fairly large metro. If that is the case, there is probably at least one technical school (or community college) around you. Get into a CAD (and/or Inventor)class right now. If you hurry, you can prob ably get into a night class in January. Machining is not my field, but I can't imagine how that could not help bring you into this decade as far as employers are concerned.

    Best of luck sir! You are already doing the best thing..... which is ANYTHING. Sitting around pouting solves nothing. But you are working towards something. That alone will help your mood more than anything else. Just pure EFFORT. A lot lesser people would have thrown in the towel. But not you. You are actually pretty inspiring. Bravery not NOT the lack of fear. It is being scared to death but pushing forward ANYWAY! Way to not give up!
  15. My best friend has lupus and the only way to keep his rheumatoid arthritis under control is by smoking the ganja. You could even buy it in an edible form if smoking is not your thing. Give it a chance.

  16. Not against this suggestion but probably would not help him if he was looking for a job. Most places drug screen these days unless yo have a prescription for that stuff and even then they don't want to believe you.
  17. Mike M.

    Mike M.

    Feb 14, 2010
    Each to thier own and that's fine with me. But the last time I touched that stuff was in 1988!! I don't even really drink anymore. Fact is, if I drink a six pack of anything in a years time I consider that to be a year of heavy drinking!

    Slobake: In my mind I'm thinking "something differant" but offhand I don't have a clue as to what path I'd like to pursue. Jeez, I've had this shop mentality since 1986....and I didn't even plan on going that route. But a buddy of mine worked at a CNC shop, an offering came up in shipping and receiving, I needed a job so I took it.

    I'd love to spend the rest of my working years doing something that really matters. Something that's soulful, something that cares and something that makes a differance. Sounds pretty grand, doesn't it? But again....doing what? Jeez-o-Pete....60 years old and as confused as they get!
  18. slobake

    slobake resident ... something Supporting Member

    I hear you Mike. I worked in telecommunications for over twenty years. It was hard to imagine doing anything else. My health situation forced my hand though. I also lost interest and confidence as a phone tech. My last job was a great job for Lucasfilm but I just couldn't cut it anymore.
    Now I put in my eight hours and go home with plenty of juice left to pursue things that really matter to me. No more on call, late nights and interuppted weekends and holidays. They think I know a lot where I work now becuase I know how to map a hard drive. :eek:
    I have time an energy now to pursue music, spend time with my grandson, really connect with my wife and family and poste here. :p I also get to write fiction like this:
    Good luck my friend. I have a feeling things will turn out okay, maybe even better for you, but it may be rough for a while.
  19. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Terrific Twister

    Apr 12, 2001
    Lacey, WA
    Maybe you could use your skills to work for your local Habitat for Humanity? A local soup kitchen? Perhaps working in the warehouse or logistics of somewhere like Goodwill? I would think a person with your attention to detail and motivation would prove valuable to an organization. No, these aren't glamorous high paying jobs, but you will get that satisfaction you are looking for from one of them.

  20. jamminology101


    Aug 22, 2012
    Indianapolis In
    Endorsing Artist: Glockenklang
    CAD course is where its at. Everything, and I mean everything is modeled in 3d now. I own and run a specialized fabrication firm that makes custom exhaust systems for indycar,,nascar,,nhra, and others and in the 90s people rolled the cars in and a prototype was built right on the car and fixtures and jigs were made from the prototype. Now all systems are either designed by us using solidworks or the model is designed by the customer and all our fixtures and tooling is generated from the model....even the jigs are modeled!! When I was young true machinists were in high demand and they had to take 3 view drawings and use turntables, x and y axis(manual), various angle plates, etc to machine the parts and had to know/use trig to find certain points and angles not given to complete the work. Now there is software on the CAM side that does all the machining and figuring and basically the cad modeler turns into machinists by specifying the tool paths and the machine does the rest. Some 5 and 7 axis machines have 50 collet tool holders and you never have to unbolt or re reference the part!! So all these machinists with all the years of experience are obsolete now . If you can draw good in 3d then you become ultra valuable as a designer/draftsman/machinist....all in one fell swoop. I have seen both sides of the coin....the ones who saw it coming and got into school for cad and the others who got left behind. I would heavily say get some cad schooling becsuse the job options are limitless because EVERYTHING now has gone that way. Best of luck.