Lead sled revisited

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by RichSnyder, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    I've been using my Markbass Tube 800 and it sounds fine, but I was reading on the Thunderfunk website a reference to your sound being "ump" "ump" "ump" instead of "thump" "thump" "thump". So for the heck of it I got my 4U SKB case out of the basement that has a Line 6 Bass PODxt Pro and a Carvin DCM1000. Bridged into 4 ohms - 1000 watts up against the Markbass' 800 watts. Plugged into the Acme Low B2 and Dr Bass 15" POD/DCM1000 and it sounds wonderful. Much fuller and thicker than the Markbass. A lot heavier, but maybe Mr Johnson was correct when extolling the virtues of the lead sled. I wasn't even playing at high volumes, so the 200 watt difference didn't come into play.

    I think I'm going to play this for awhile. It's heavy, but not as heavy as an SVT. Then again, maybe it's just a stepping stone to an SVT. ;)
     
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  2. Febs

    Febs Supporting Member

    May 7, 2007
    Philadelphia, PA
    How does it sound if you plug the PODXt Pro into the effects return of the Markbass and use it with the same cabinets?
     
  3. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    I tried that briefly and it didn't sound as good. But in fairness, I may not have given it a truly fair test. I'll try again later.
     
  4. murphy

    murphy Supporting Member

    May 5, 2004
    Canada
    Ugh!!!!
     
  5. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    ?
     
  6. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    i've not tried a Markbass amp specifically but comparing my pre/power rig before and after a Class D transplant (DCM1000L) I feel no difference from the Mackie FR1400 it replaced or the DCM1000 that came before the Mackie. All feeding a 4Ω B2 per channel.
     
  7. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Didn't get a chance to try before kiddie bedtime, so the retest will have to wait until tomorrow. Not sure what it is about this particular cab combination that I like but I find it very pleasing. Mis and match cabs aren't supposed to sound good. Maybe I just got lucky. I guess no need to overanalyze it. Just accept that I like it and play.

    PS - I took the Dr Bass plate off. ;)
     
  8. Dan Knowlton

    Dan Knowlton Sometimes you're the dog, sometimes the tree Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2000
    Palm Coast, FL
    Fixed it for 'ya!

    Glad you like it - after my HeartCore my favorite rig was an Alembic F1-X with a Crown K-2 (bridged) into a Whappo Jr. Heavy, but sounded great!

    Dan K.
     
  9. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    I heard a Whappo once. Wow! The closest thing is that damn truck that used to be a 100 yards from our house and was driving pilings or whatever you call the foundations.
     
  10. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    I have a Crest CA6. It sounds great with the variety of basses, pre-amps, and cabinets I have used with it, but it is more than I need 99% of the time, and in a 4-space rack with a couple of light pre-amps (BBE and A R T), the package clocks in at about 74 lbs.

    I like my M9 because it has the same slam. Never could make myself like the svt, but they are great if it is what you want. The lead sled thing is great because it is just plain oceans of clean clear power.
     
  11. pickles

    pickles Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    Match the gains and test blind, you might be surprised.
     
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  12. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    +1

    'Tis True! :eek:
     
  13. I feel the same way.

    Lead sleds have a mojo all their own.... kinda halfway between a all tube and a Class D. And just because some of your dont hear it (more feel it) doesnt mean its not there!
     
  14. Tele295

    Tele295

    Jan 8, 2002
    Ventura, CA
    Forgive my ignorance, please. What is meant by lead sled?
     
  15. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Well whatever gear you've got, it's all good. Never walked out on a band because of their gear choices. But micros don't do what the lead sleds do. I actually like what micros do up to a certain degree and I'm sure I'll be using them in the future, but it just isn't tubes and big transformers. If you're getting the sound you like, that's what's important, and everyone will still like your band no matter what you use, but there certainly is a difference.
     
  16. seamonkey

    seamonkey

    Aug 6, 2004
    Just because you can't sense the invisible dragon in the room doesn't mean it's not there. :)
     
  17. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    In tube and traditional solid state amps, they have big transformers which are coils wrapped around iron. That's why they're heavy, so "lead sled" became some sort of a nickname for them. Micros don't have any lead...they use fancy schmancy switch mode power supplies that are much lighter. I actually prefer micros to the lead sled solid state amps because a lot of them remind me more of tube amps than lead sleds, but they don't do what the amps with big transformers do. You won't get that razor sharp tightness of solid state or that fat concussive sound of tube amps with them, but they do a good representation of either of them if you can stand to compromise a little oomph for the sake of weight and space saving.
     
  18. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    It isn't that mix & match cabs "aren't supposed" to sound good. It's that due to the overwhelming number of variables involved, they generally can't be reliably counted upon to sound any specific way in particular, with any degree of consistency.

    So maybe you just did get lucky... :meh:

    MM
     
  19. mothra2

    mothra2 Supporting Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    ... or not
     
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  20. smcgov

    smcgov Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    Northshore Mass
    I mess around w/ vintage stereos and with some inefficient speakers running a 100 wpc receiver on some speakers and then switching to a 100 wpc high current power/pre amp setup is noticible in how tight the bass is.

    I think of it like a pressure washer....you can get one at home depot that's 1600psi....but it's the flow rate that really matters...you can buy an MI-T-M that is also 1600psi with a much larger flow rate, one will clean your sidewalk in 5 minutes and the other will take 35 minutes...

    I was lucky enough to be in a Mars Music in Dallas back in the day when they had a rack so that you can switch between power amps with the same source and speakers and the Crest had more slam than any other power amp, I had just bought a Mackie 1400 at Guitar Center and returned it immediately.