Learning to Walk

Discussion in 'Jazz Technique [DB]' started by John Perrin, Jan 9, 2009.

  1. John Perrin

    John Perrin Guest

    Sep 29, 2008
    Texas
    So I've got tons of experience playing classical music in orchestras and solo stuff but I've never really learned how to play any jazz. This is something I'd like to remedy!


    I get the whole root-3rd-5th-b7 thing but I'd like to get better at improvising walking lines and wondered if anybody had some recommendations about what to listen to, read, and practice with that in mind.
     
  2. Recommendation 1: Learn to crawl first.
     
  3. EggyToast

    EggyToast Guest

    Jan 21, 2006
    Baltimore
    The "Modern Walking Bass Technique" book is $20 and has some very good lines that emphasize how to learn "what's up," rather than just copying stuff. It builds up through the course of the book, so you're learning techniques as well as more challenging stuff.

    http://www.bassbooks.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=673

    I've poked at it a bit myself and it's pretty good. I assume you don't just want to learn jazz standards.
     
  4. zeytoun

    zeytoun

    Dec 19, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
  5. Listen to Stevie Ray Vaughn albums or any blues artists you can find.
     
  6. wineaux

    wineaux Guest

    Jul 20, 2007
    Gaithersburg, Maryland
    I recommend "Walking Bassics" by Ed Fuqua, who hangs out on this site. It has helped me immensely.
     
  7. John Perrin

    John Perrin Guest

    Sep 29, 2008
    Texas
  8. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Columbia SC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
  9. relacey

    relacey

    Sep 18, 2004
    At one time or another I've owned most of the books on walking bass lines out there and I'd have to say that Ed's book is the best I found at clearly explaining the basics and getting you started on the right path. I think this book plus some dedicated listening (he provides some suggested albums) will take you a long way.
     
  10. Paul Warburton

    Paul Warburton In Memoriam

    Aug 17, 2003
    Denver, Co.
    Just do it!
    Ed plays more meaningful bass lines than most jazz bassists play solos.
    Just SO nice. :D
     
  11. Paul Warburton

    Paul Warburton In Memoriam

    Aug 17, 2003
    Denver, Co.
    Thing have no brain.
     
  12. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Columbia SC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    I also step on my johnson (and I ain't talkin' Marcus!) a fair bit....
     
  13. Kevin Hsieh

    Kevin Hsieh Guest

    Jun 2, 2007
    New York City
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    The books help but the most important thing is to listen, play along with the records, and spend some time transcribing the lines.

    I recommend listening to Paul Chambers, Ray Brown, Ron Carter, Sam Jones, Percy Heath and many others

    After listening, try to emulate the feel and the note choice that these greats had. If you have extra time, it'd be helpful to transcribe the bass lines.

    The last thing that is helpful is to find some people that can play and force yourself (and them) to play together. through trial by fire with some musicians (who are hopefully more experienced), you will be able improve drastically since you will be forced to apply all the things you learned from the activities above in a real situation. It'll be difficult at first, but it gets easier and more enjoyable with time.
     
  14. hdiddy

    hdiddy Official Forum Flunkee Supporting Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    Richmond, CA
    LOL. Funny thing tho... Steve Ray Vaughan was my re-entry into jazz. Aside from all the chicago blues, they did have some really kickin fast swing tunes that get no recognition whatsoever. Bass line wasn't bad, but it was on EB and it was more functional that something super-expressive ala Ray Brown. When I was learning guitar I was like... forget this blues stuff - gimmie teh swing! Next thing you know I start listening to Coltrane and then never looked back. He did a cover of a Kenny Burrell tune (Chitlins Con Carne) which showed that he could do just a little bit more than mimic Albert King and Hendrix's playing. He had good ears and would have been interesting had he gone all the way into jazz.
     
  15. Paul Warburton

    Paul Warburton In Memoriam

    Aug 17, 2003
    Denver, Co.
    I didn't notice. Now that you bring it up (so to speak ), I will reduce my usual kick-back fee to: 3,002.38 American dollars and cents. :atoz:
     
  16. Paul Warburton

    Paul Warburton In Memoriam

    Aug 17, 2003
    Denver, Co.
    I'm sure the pain was exquisite.
     
  17. MDEbass

    MDEbass Guest

    Dec 15, 2008
    Houston
    I learned with Todd Johnson's Walking Bass Line Module System Vol. 1 DVD and Jim Stinnett's Creating Jazz Bass Lines book. However you do choose to learn to play walking lines, TAKE YOUR TIME!!! Even if you think you've got it under your fingers, keep repeating it over and over. And then once you've got a hold on bass line structure etc, TRANSCRIBE!!! Analyze these bass lines: how they work with the chord structure, leading tones, phrases, etc. Start with songs you know well. Transcribe PC, Percy Heath, Ray Brown, Percy Heath, or any of your favorite players.
     
  18. Paul Warburton

    Paul Warburton In Memoriam

    Aug 17, 2003
    Denver, Co.
    Oh yez, Oh yez! ANALYSE, Analyse and analyse some more.
    And TRANSCRIBE, and Transcribe and transcribe some more.
    And more than anything, don't make the fatal mistake of picking up your bass and tryin' to cop some lines AND feel of some of our great bassists. To attempt to do this, you may have to use some things not mentioned much in this thread.....Your blarg fargin' EARS!!!!
     
  19. Jake deVilliers

    Jake deVilliers Commercial User

    May 24, 2006
    Crescent Beach, BC
    Owner of The Bass Spa, String Repairman at Long & McQuade Vancouver
    Geez PEEDUB you're ****ing sarcastic today! Where were you when that 13 year old girl was leading the guys around by the nose in the Basses Forum? :)
     
  20. BluesHonky

    BluesHonky Guest

    Dec 28, 2008
    Play the Blues... Also 1 ,8 , b7 , 5 on a 4 count is a good blues pattern... Learn pentonic minor scale... Im assuming U got the turnaround down 4, b5, 5 , 1 '''' just jam with the blues... the walkin bass as U described and the turnaround is basically it.... 1,4, 5 chord progression