Lesh/Gordon/Schools inspired mini rig

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Paulabass, Jun 16, 2019.

  1. Paulabass


    Sep 18, 2017
    Some of my favorite players are playing Meyer Sound rigs right now (even saw Otiel with one earlier this year).
    In an effort to save $30K, and about 250 pounds, I created the 4 way mini rig.
    Hifi active bass (was using my Spector and a vintage B.C. Rich this morning)> Line 6 M13 effects processor> Peavey Minimax. Yorkville active sub is in the effects loop, so a full range signal comes out the loop send> active crossover @ 80Hz. > everything above 80Hz. comes back to the loop return. Sub is high passed at 40 hz. > Mike Arnopol three way MAS 46 cabinet (4 ohms).
    Four way/bi amped 750 watt rig!! The gain control does sub volume/blend, and the master controls both (that takes a minute to get used to)
    So how does it sound? Quite massive and very hifi for its size 48" tall, and 19" wide. Goes very low and is pretty linear right up to extreme highs. In the pic I have the cabinet on it's side for my cramped office. Live, it would be flipped 90 degrees, offering about 100 degrees side to side dispersion, even in the mids and highs (according to what I've read about Big E cabs.) Should be perfect for clubs.
    How loud is it? It's raining so I can't take it outside, but in my office it goes stupid loud with no audible speaker distortion (the Peavey isn't the cleanest head in the world) Ear bleeding loud. The Yorkville sub is only 250 watts, but is also only doing one octave, and is HPF'ed. My room being the limiting factor, right next to it is my SVT-CL with a 4x10, and it seems easily as loud.
    I'll be playing two outdoor events in the next week, and will thoroughly test. If I think I'm on the right track I'll get a beefier 12" sub (QSC?) Before soundcheck I'll fire some pink noise thru it, and take a look at it on the RTA.
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  2. StephenR


    May 21, 2009
    SF Bay Area
    For a very hifi full-range Meyer-like sound with only the internal crossover built into the cabinet there is always the Barefaced Big Twin II. It is their largest cabinet but, at 49 lbs for the one with the steel grill, easy to move using the built in wheels. Two 12" speakers designed by Barefaced and made exclusively for them by Eminence. Very flat sounding to the point a lot of folks who like a colored sound dislike the Barefaced 12" offerings. Low-end is off the charts and the cabinets respond excellently to being EQ'd to hear what you want to hear. The crossover point can be adjusted externally from 2kHz (default) to 10kHz so you can select how much of the high frequency info gets sent to the speakers. Cabinet can be fed 1600 watts and has response from 30hZ to 20kHz highs sound smooth and clear with none of the metallic sound frequently experienced with cabinets using a high-frequency compression driver.

    I haven't played through any of the MAS stuff but hear nothing but great things about it and am sure your mini-rig sounds awesome. So many excellent choices for bass amplification these days!
  3. Paulabass


    Sep 18, 2017
    ^ I hear only good things about the Barefaced.
    The beauty of my rig is I got everything on stupid good deals- head $100, MAS cab $300, sub $349 (new, clearance)
  4. Stranger Danger

    Stranger Danger Feel Like A Stranger Supporting Member

    Jan 3, 2010
    Denver, CO
    My 3 favorite players as well. Very nicely done!
  5. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    Paula you are a wild and crazy lass! :)
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  6. MarkA

    MarkA In the doghouse. Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    You got a deal-and-a-half and then some on the MAS cab. That's north of a grand, new.

    If you try a different sub and can get hold of one, I highly recommend the MAS 110 sub. Will fit perfectly under the 46 (though isn't as tall and is lighter) and does all of the amazing "vortex" stuff that the MAS cabs do (which, if you've been playing in your office, I'm not sure that you've been properly exposed to, yet). I've used my 110 sub with my MAS 46, MAS Flex mod, and Audiokinesis Hathor 1203 (with which it stacks well vertically and horizontally).

    Running the sub with the AK cab was probably the most telling -- the 1203 is an excellent and well-voiced little cab, but running the sub underneath it not only added volume and booty (expected) but helped with the clarity and coverage out in the house -- and not in a subtle way. My (very rough) understanding of how this happens is that the vortices spinning off the sub (sounds like sci-fi, I know) pick up a bit of what's coming out of the Hathor and "take it along for the ride". (I don't want to mislead anyone on that, so I'll invite @Stephen Regier or @Mike Arnopol to correct me if I'm wrong.)

    With the Flex and the 46, when run with the sub, I've run both cabs full-range (the 3010 LF in the sub is low-passed internally and the cabs are voiced to work well together run full-range). With the Hathor, I've run both full-range and bi-amped. Both ways worked well -- and playing around with the crossover frequency (with an Ashly BP-41 and a Yamaha PB-1) was instructive, but, for electric bass, I think I preferred both full range.

    I've also run dual-mono off a poweramp -- identical, full-range signal going to each cab -- but used to controls on the poweramp to adjust the relative volume of the sub and top. The Hathor and sub just happen to work out so equal power is spot-on in most cases, so running them off a regular mono amp works great (though I use a bit less bass EQ with the sub, obviously).

    I've also run with a clean signal to the sub and a (very) slightly grungy one to the top (my Reiner 6SL7 pre allows this without any pedals) and that's pretty neat.

    With a standard sub, I don't think that running both cabs full range would work all that well, but it has, for me, in the above combinations with the MAS sub. The MAS cabs are designed to work together, obviously. The Hathor might just have been a happy coincidence. You can also, of course, use it to bi-amp in the traditional sense, crossing the cabs over where and however it works best.
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  7. StephenR


    May 21, 2009
    SF Bay Area
    Beauty may be how it sounds and the price a super added bonus. Great deal!