Lessons? I don't need no stinkin' lessons!

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  1. Bunk McNulty

    Bunk McNulty It is not easy to do simple things correctly Suspended Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2012
    Northampton, MA
    David Epstein on the Genius of the Self-Taught Musician

    Excerpt:

    While I was sitting with Cecchini, he reeled off an impressive improvisation. I asked him to repeat it so I could record it. “I couldn’t play that again if you put a gun to my head,” he said. Charles Limb, a musician, hearing specialist, and auditory surgeon at the University of California, San Francisco, designed an iron‑free keyboard so that jazz musicians could improvise while inside an MRI scanner. Limb saw that brain areas associated with focused attention, inhibition, and self‑censoring turned down when the musicians were creating. “It’s almost as if the brain turned off its own ability to criticize itself,” he told National Geographic. While improvising, musicians do pretty much the opposite of consciously identifying errors and stopping to correct them. Improv masters learn like babies: dive in and imitate and improvise first, learn the formal rules later. “At the beginning, your mom didn’t give you a book and say, ‘This is a noun, this is a pronoun, this is a dangling participle,’” Cecchini told me. “You acquired the sound first. And then you acquire the grammar later.”
     
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  2. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
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    The analogy doesn't really work - infants learn by sounds, sure, but they're definitely taught (lessons) at the same time. Just not formally. But it all starts with mimicking the teacher. So the argument that this supports self-taught musicians having some sort of advantage, well, doesn't really work logically.
     
  3. Bunk McNulty

    Bunk McNulty It is not easy to do simple things correctly Suspended Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2012
    Northampton, MA
    I don't read anything in this that says that self-taught musicians have an advantage; only that it surprises people (like the author) that they can function as musicians as well as they do.
     
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  4. Nashrakh

    Nashrakh

    Aug 16, 2008
    Hamburg, Germany
    Ah yes, the old chestnut of reading musicians vs improvising musicians. Nobody has ever written about that before.
     
  5. Bunk McNulty

    Bunk McNulty It is not easy to do simple things correctly Suspended Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2012
    Northampton, MA
    Then don't waste your time on it!
     
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  6. Interesting perspective. I gigged as a drummer for many years before selling my drums to pay off my bride's engagement ring. After that took up bass and play some guitar, never had a lesson.

    Doesn't make me anything special, just how it happened for me.


    Just a perspective, read it or don't, shouldn't be a big deal.