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Let's try this again: Do you like 'em loose or tight?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Hategear, Sep 24, 2001.


  1. I wrap 'em tightly.

    7 vote(s)
    14.6%
  2. I wrap 'em loosely.

    31 vote(s)
    64.6%
  3. I don't wrap 'em at all -- I make my drummer untangle 'em at the next gig.

    7 vote(s)
    14.6%
  4. Other (hey, there could be an other).

    3 vote(s)
    6.3%
  1. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    At practice yesterday, my singer made a comment about how tightly I wind my cables when I put them away. He said that "they" recommend that you wrap them in big loops, as opposed to smaller, tighter ones. Let's say I have an 18' cable -- when I am done wrapping it, the coil will be about 5 inches in diameter. I wrap them "tight" because they are easier to secure with a cord lock and they are less likely to tangle with themselves and other cords. My [idiot] guitarist says that wrapping them like I do breaks the smaller wires inside. I say, as long as I wrap 'em the right way (you know, the way a cord "naturally" wants to wrap), what difference does it make? What's your opinion?
     
  2. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    Man, I thought this thread was about women until I opened it![​IMG]

    I wrap them loosely. I have been told the same thing that your guitarist said, about breaking the wires in the braid, and possibly even breaking the conductor.
     
  3. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    I know -- interesting titles get interested posters. :D
     
  4. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    My signature notwithstanding, the tighter you wrap the cord, the more stress you put on the sheilding, whether it's spiral wrap, braid, or foil. The sheilding may unravel and bunch up under the insulation. Foil shielding is especially susceptible to damage from tight winding, and may break. My mic cords and instrument cords get wound at about a 10- to 12-inch diameter. Speaker cords can be wound tighter if they're unshielded 2-conductor cables.

    Now, on the other issue, I stick by my signature.
     
  5. I generally wind(?) my cables so they fit comfortably in the big pocket of my gigbag.

    Which puts that at...what, 10"? 12"?
     
  6. Hey! That thread title is flagrant false advertising! :mad:
    Anyway, mine seem to be overly thick, so are pretty stiff, (the cables that is. ;)) so I cant wrap them tightly, they have to looped loosely.
    Jim
     
  7. Chasarms

    Chasarms Casual Observer

    May 24, 2001
    Bettendorf, IA USA
    I was told by a guitar player (they're not all idiots) a long time ago that tight wrapping breaks down the shielding and conductors. SO I went with big loops (18-20") and I have cables that I have used for 10-12 years and they all work fine. The guys that help us with sound have a nasty habit of wrapping up mic cables very tightly. We have to buy a few new mic cables every year and have a whole box of dead ones.


    Another thing nice about big loops is that the cable gets trained to lay on the stage flat. If you wrap them up tight, they tend to bunch up on stage and make it easier to trip over.


    I think there may be something to the loose wrapping thing.

    Chas
     
  8. Loose winding = longer use

    plus.. i have TSR cables ( 1x lead + 2x ground ), which are even more expensive than " normal " mono cables..

    Read bassplayer Sept '01 issue, page 8.. there's a small article on cable-maintenance on it.

    ;)
     
  9. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    Well, find me a marker -- I need to note on my calendar that my guitar player was right about something! :D

    Seriously, I guess I'll try wrapping my cables bit looser from now on.
     
  10. i thought the thread was about strings..
     
  11. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    I use only 30' cables. I never ever wrap them. I lay them out completely straight, without one wrinkle. Then, I place them into a specially made hardshell case, (32' long), that I carry around. It's awkward, but gosh darnit, that's what I do.
     
  12. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    jazzbo, kinda like them straight strings that they used to market back in the early or mid 1970's, eh?

    I wonder why that never caught on. You could go into a music store, buy a package of bass strings, and they would easily fit in a coat pocket, or briefcase, or bass case, gigbag, etc. But wouldn't it be much cooler to have the strings in a package 38" long, that wouldn't fit in anything?
     
  13. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Fair to middling. Usually whatever the space requirement is. If it's my gig bag, then fairly tight. If it's in a box or something, then loose. I was not aware of the implications of cable winding. Maybe I'll be more carefull form now on.:)
     
  14. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    Must be a b*tch turning corners in a hallway! :D
     
  15. Not to change the topic, but yes I too was upset that this was about cables, when you replace your strings do you do one at a time or take them all off.

    I take them all off so I can clean the bass, many guitar players I know say you should not do this because it will warp the neck. It this is going to warp the neck then I paid to much for my bass.
     
  16. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    Yeah, I took them all off and the cheap@ss plastic neck on my Zon warped.
     
  17. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    jazzbo ~

    Do they carry those cases at GC, or do you have them custom made? I think SKB makes 'em ... I saw some in the MF catalog.

    I recomment the curly cords down at Radio Shack.
     
  18. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    How could anyone think this was about strings :confused:
     
  19. That is just mean. :D
     
  20. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Anything to protect the sanctity of my equipment! :D

    Custom made all the way, baby! I usually have them lined with purple valour. It just, oh I don't know, it just feels right. :)