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Live use of Bass Pod Pro?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Mad Subwoofer, May 1, 2001.


  1. We've all heard how great this box is, but most reviews are all about direct studio recording. Given the fact that this box is for emulating different amps as well as cabinets.....which live setup would suit it best? Seems to me that yer average amp setup couldn't possibly cover the wide range of rigs offered. Would a mini PA be best, so as not to colour the sound? I had a similar problem with my Sansamp stuff, like wearing glasses over your contacts. What do you all think?
     
  2. brewer9

    brewer9

    Jul 5, 2000
    The POD sucks. It really does. I hate to say that cuz I got suckered into paying $600 for the Pro version. But all said and done, dont bother with it. The sounds arent THAT great, its extremely complicated to use, and the volumes from sound to sound dont match up. It may be possible for some techno-wizard to spend a year with it and be able to make it work, but I seriously believe that you'd be better off with the basic equipment you need to get a good sound. Afterall if it was really that easy to create each of those amps, cabs and effects then why would anyone buy those amps, cabs and effects in the first place? Well, there is a reason to buy those and thats because you cannot duplicate them in such a small and lightweight box. Sorry for this horrible dose of reality but its the plain unvarnished truth.

    I just recorded in the studio and brought it with me and the engineer said "oh no not a POD!" He advised against it in the studio too.
     
  3. i disagree. i think the pod is usefull if you know what you are getting into. it is not a live performance tool. for live use it's all about the sansamp. but for a home studio it can be great. to my ears it models the sounds of the amps and effects recorded. what i mean is your equiptment sounds different on tape than live. thats what the pod will do for you. it will not nail any of the sounds dead on, but it will be close enough that only real tone freaks will know the difference. it can give some cool colors to vocals as well i find. if you really want the tones of a roomfull of classic amps, you are going to need a roomfull of classic amps. but if you want some good easy tones that are close enough for rock and roll, the pod will work for you.
     
  4. Umm......I don't really care if it sucks or not, I just want to know what the best live setup would be for it. thanks though. Anyone else........?
     
  5. the setup depends on what style of music you're playing. running into a good pa or just a power amp and a cab would be the best. if you ran it through a bass amp you would be dealing with the preamp's coloration of it's sound. of course your tone will be affected by the natural tone of the poweramp and cab. i'm not familiar with the "mini pa" but i don't like the word mini so my advice is stay away from that.
     
  6. I meant "mini PA" as being a typical preamp(the Pod) power amp and uncolouring speaker situation, pretty much what you mention. I was thinking of a setup that would allow for the wide range of cabinet tones to come through with a minimum of coloration(is that a word?) Maybe two Acme's? I already have a wicked Mesa setup that I am entirely happy with but variety is always nice too........
     
  7. brewer9

    brewer9

    Jul 5, 2000
    You dont care if it sucks or not? thats an interesting concept (or not).
     
  8. I can't understand why brewer9 thinks that the Bass Pod is so difficult to set up and program. I've had a Pod since last August and have use it only as a live tool. I spent maybe about 5 or 6 hours setting it up the way I want it and then playing it. However, I only use about 3 different settings. If I used more than that I would want to have the footcontroller for it.

    Up until recently I had a Marshall B150 combo and plugged my Bass into the Pod then took the amp line to my amp and the di line to the desk. It took me about 30 minutes setting the sound I wanted the first time I used it through the PA but after that I didn't need to adjust it at all. I like what I hear from the Pod it's kept me happy since last August. I've changed my amp set up now and don't think I'll need to use it anymore but I'll keep it just in case something breaks down.

    Bass Pod does have its limitations but it's not a dreadful piece of equipment. At the end of the day it's a tool that will do a specific job for you, I found with my old set up it helped to improve the sound.

    Stu
     
  9. brewer9

    brewer9

    Jul 5, 2000
    I wish you would help me out with it Stewart, seriously! Maybe I overstated the conclusion (as many of you know I do that from time to time....not that I'm opinionated or anything). I am admittedly not a technical person so generally have more trouble than those that are technically inclined. And I havent spent the time I need to satisfactorily get a reasonable use from the POD. The sounds werent what I wanted and then the volume was way too low so I had to CRANK UP my head volumes, which still didnt sound right. Then the separate POD sounds varied in volumes a tremendous amount and the effects were difficult to control (for me anyway).

    So, I should state that up front (this is actually way down in the thread, oh well) that you may not experience the same level of frustration as I did.

    I really would rather not bother that in-depthly (not a word but you know what I mean).
     
  10. dblbassted

    dblbassted

    Mar 21, 2001
    Memphis, Tn.
    For Live playing, I've been using the POD pro's unbalanced modeled line to drive a Mackie 1400 amp and whatever cab is at the club or an SWR 2x10. Then, I send both balanced outputs to the board. Lately, I've just been using the Tube Preamp setting flat with a smidge of compression. In the studio, I tend to use a better quality DI and the B-15 model.

    As far as being hard to program, the Sound Diver software takes every bit of work out of the process. Plus, It gives you access to a lot of features not adjustable from the POD's control panel.
     
  11. Thank you! THAT is the kind of reply I was hoping for....topic related and everything. I just wanted to hear of folks' experiances using it live, specifically of the sorts of rigs that worked best for them, which was most flexible, given the wide variety of sounds available.
     
  12. dblbassted

    dblbassted

    Mar 21, 2001
    Memphis, Tn.
    Fuggedaboudit..... If you need some help with your POD settings or anything, just give a brother an email.
     
  13. Samie

    Samie

    Dec 13, 2000
    Madrid, Spain
    Sure, some people say that analog recorders still give better sound that DAW's. It really just comes down to how much money you have to spend. If you have the money get the best gear you can. If you already have great gear, you might want to get just a great DI. If you are a lousy bass player, practice!

    most of the sounds of the pod can be obtained with a decent engineer and a decent bass amp with good mics, good A/D converters and good sound isolation. No need to use it in a pro-studio.

    For a LIVE setup(which is what the question is about) I have always thought the BassPOD would combine great with one of these.:

    http://www.mackie.com/Products/Active/SR1530/SR1530.asp
    <DIV><IMG src="http://www.mackie.com/Products/Active/SR1530/SR1530pix/SR1530.jpg"></DIV>

    or
    http://www.mackie.com/Products/Active/Fussion3000/Fussion3000.asp

    <IMG src="http://www.mackie.com/Products/Active/Fussion3000/Fussion3000.jpg">



    Has anybody else tried something like these?
     
  14. brewer9

    brewer9

    Jul 5, 2000
    Huh!? Who said anything about Analog? And why would a POD need one of those things? Why would you assume I'm not a good player? I'm sorry, but I understand your comments about as well as I understand how to use the POD.
     
  15. Get with the program there brewer9. This thread was for finding about live setup situation and folks' experiances with that. Suggestions like those Mackie columns are what I was hoping for. I don't care about studio usage frankly, as I was curious about how to get the most out of what the Pod offers in a live situation. Stage use is where I would want to use it the most considering the amount of time I ever spend in a studio (minimal.)
    Thanks guys...
     
  16. brewer9

    brewer9

    Jul 5, 2000
    Sorry there pal. I like to see where these threads take us. Sometimes they veer off the main topic and take on a life of their own. But if you want to feel ownership to this one then I'll back off. I mean, it is your thread afterall.

    I still dont know what the speaker-poster was talking about and he did direct that towards me, but dont worry I'll leave this thread for you better people to ponder.
     
  17. Samie

    Samie

    Dec 13, 2000
    Madrid, Spain
    No one said that you were a bad player, is just a general statment, it is just an amp simulator. What comes in goes out as it would on the simulated amp. I theory it will only sound as good as what you put in, as oposed to a fx unit which enhances your sound.

    I have always hated bass amps, even before these amp simulators came out. I have always wanted to go directly from a preamp to a power amp and to full range speakers.

    In live situations the extra lows of the bass amps rattle the snare, and mushup with the bass drum sound. I always end up cutting on lows and bringing out the mids. The sound is terrible but everybody can hear what the bass is doing! On a full range system you dont have this problem. Active loud systems make things even easier, no need for power amps.

    I will eventually get one of these, the yamaha ns400. A lot smaller, I want to be able to carry it around. Its 400 watts should be enough to be heard playing along the loudest drumer. It should sound great with my BassPod.

    http://www.yamaha.co.uk/proaudio/speaker/ms400/

    behringer also makes a similar active loudspeaker.
     
  18. Thumper

    Thumper Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2000
    Layton, UT
    My bass POD arrived today. Gonna be a long day 'til I can get home and get my hands on it. Oh well, I can drool over the manual at lunch.

    BTW, it will see some limited live use, but mainly it is just a gig backup. I get all the sounds I need out of my Roscoes/Lakland/Eden/SWR/Hartke/Fulltone/CryBabysetup
     
  19. Brewer9, I'm all for creative discussion and threads opening up and all but you haven't even once touched on the main topic or addressed the initial question of the Pod's live setup. Not once. You've obviously had a whole lot of invaluable experiance and time with the Pod and have much to share about that but in relation to this specific thread you've had little or nothing to say. While your studio experiance is intriguing and opens up a whole lot of questions to the overall usefullness of this (way too) expensive toy (IMO), it is irrelevant to the initial question; what Pod-amp-speaker setup would you use on stage? If you had addressed this initially and then veared off....we'd have something to talk about. Didn't mean to get you all hot under the collar there friend; take 'er EZ.
     
  20. brewer9

    brewer9

    Jul 5, 2000