Looking for opinions

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by TimB 619, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. TimB 619

    TimB 619 Guest

    May 28, 2010
    I have a Peavey Millenium BXP 4 that I'm considering doing a pickup upgrade to. It has passive J type pups, a basswood body, and I use light gauge nickel rounds. I play a wide variety of styles on it. I really like this bass, because it is light weight, and has a nice neck. I'm not sure whether to keep using single coils, or hum cancelling, although I generally use the neck pickup only most of the time. I'm thinking maybe DiMarzio's, or if I decide to keep using single coils, maybe the Seymour Duncan SJB-1's. What do you guys think? Thank you for your suggestions.
     
  2. BlueTalon

    BlueTalon Happy Cynic Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Inland Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Turnstyle Switch
    I'm of the opinion that there is no reason to put up with any noise of any kind if it's not necessary. Not everybody shares that opinion. Many people believe the purity of the single coil sound is compromised by any kind of hum canceling design. I don't buy it, because single coils have hundreds of different winding options resulting in a variety of tones, and I believe there is a lot of overlap between single coil sound and hum canceling J-pickup sound.

    There are three basic types of hum canceling J pickups:

    Split-coil or dual inline coil
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    Stacked coils
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    Parallel coils
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    I personally like the split-coils. A lot of companies make them, including DiMarzio. Given the options you mentioned, that's what I'd recommend. DiMarzio Area J or Ultra Jazz pickups.
     
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  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Hey Tim, like Blue Talon, I prefer humbuckers as well and agree with what he said about them. Unfortunately, I no longer have a Jazz Bass and am very much out of the loop when it comes to replacement J pickups.
     
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  4. Geri O

    Geri O Endorsing Artist, Mike Lull Guitars and Basses Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 6, 2013
    Florence, MS
    To my ears, the Nordstrand NJ5Ss sound like single-coils (although at 56 and leaving a pro sound career to play again, my ears do have some miles on them). I've been very happy with the NJ5FSs I've put in a fretless Jazz V and I'm about to order a set for an AM STD Jazz 5 I just bought.

    I believe the model number is NJ4S or NJ5S. The NJ5FS is for Fenders.
     
  5. BlueTalon

    BlueTalon Happy Cynic Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Inland Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Turnstyle Switch
    I'm 53 and right behind you, bro.
     
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  6. TimB 619

    TimB 619 Guest

    May 28, 2010
    Looks like it's either Ultra Jazz or Area J. Because basswood is a light wood, do you think the Area's would work better?
     
  7. Troph

    Troph

    Apr 14, 2011
    Kirkland, WA
    I have the Ultra Jazz pups in one of my Jazz basses and really like them. They're not really designed to mimic single-coils, however... they're a bit more mid-scooped. They are closer however to single-coil traditional J pups than the Model J's, which I have in a fretless bass. The Area J pups are theoretically supposed to be closer to single-coil sound, so more like a traditional Fender Jazz tone, but noiseless. Haven't tried those yet.

    One thing to double-check is the size of your bridge pickup relative to your neck pickup. The pickup sets sold by Dimarzio and others expect the Fender sizing, where the bridge pup is just a tiny bit wider than the neck pup. Pre-2002 or so Mexican Fenders and some Squiers I believe used identical-sized pups, which makes the upgrade more challenging. Not sure what Peavey uses. If it turns out that they're identical, you can order two neck pups separately. Others use a router or other tool to widen the pickup cavity, at the risk of chipping the finish...
     
  8. BlueTalon

    BlueTalon Happy Cynic Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Inland Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Turnstyle Switch
    I had to widen the route for the jack on my one of my pre-painted Warmoth bass bodies. Before doing it, I put some blue painters tape over the area. I opened the route up, and the edge of the paint was intact, free of any chipping. Did it actually help? I don't really know, but it seemed to. It certainly won't stop any damage from a mis-handled router, but I think it helps the chances of the paint staying intact if everything else is done right.

    Regarding a bass with two J pickups of the same size, there are companies that make J sets for such basses. So rather than having two neck pickups, you'd have an neck pickup and a bridge pickup of the same length. That's especially important if the OP decides to use single coils.
     
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  9. Troph

    Troph

    Apr 14, 2011
    Kirkland, WA
    Totally agree. Just to add to what BlueTalon said, there are at least two valid reasons why buying two standard neck pickups (which is easy) isn't ideal. How important they are, I can't really say. :)
    • In most pickup sets, the bridge pup is typically wound a little "hotter" (originally just by virtue of the fact that the wider coil used more wire), and the additional output helps to compensate for the reduced string vibration amplitude at the bridge position. With two neck pups, you could therefore have slightly weaker bridge output than normal.
    • Most modern single-coil pickup sets feature one pickup that's constructed differently (windings out of phase and reversed magnets) to achieve noise reduction. With two identical neck pickups, you wouldn't get this same noise reduction effect... which is how most single coil instruments existed pre-1980s.
    Edit: And of course, none of this even matters if you have standard (different) sized pickups, which makes me wonder why I bothered typing it all up... :p
     
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  10. TimB 619

    TimB 619 Guest

    May 28, 2010
    I have the Model J's in my fretless bass. I like them there, but I don't think it's the sound I want. It looks like its down to the Ultra Jazz, or Area j's.
    I had the Ultra jazz in a MIM Fender fretted bass I used to own. Hard for me to judge though, since that particular bass didn't really do it for me (which is why I no longer have it.) I've never heard the Area J's. According to the warmoth site, putting hot pickups into a bass with a softer wood (Peavey Millenium BXP is basswood) can end up sounding mushy.
     
  11. TimB 619

    TimB 619 Guest

    May 28, 2010
    Anybody here done a direct comparison between the Area J, and the SJB-1?
     
  12. JustForSport

    JustForSport

    Nov 17, 2011
    If they fit, try the Model J's in the Millenium- it's a much different bass than the fretless probably, so the only real way to know if they will sound like what you want is to try them.