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Looking to upgrade cab

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Phat Ham, Oct 23, 2001.

  1. Oct 23, 2001 #1
    Phat Ham

    Phat Ham

    Feb 13, 2000
    DC
    I just got back from band practice and realized my Carvin RC210 ain't cutting it. So I've decided I'm gonna keep the R600 head for now and upgrade my speakers. Right now the top contender is the Eden D410-XLT. I'm also considering the Epifani T212 and Bergantino 212 because I've heard great things about them, but unfortunately for me there's nowhere nearby that I can try either of those. I have tried the Eden and loved it. I've also tried the SWR Goliath III but prefer the Eden.

    I play in a rock band with drummer, guitarist who plays through a 100 watt marshall, and a keyboard player. Our PA isn't very good so I won't be able to plug into the PA, which means my rig is going to have to supply all of the bass. I play 5 string so I need a cab that can handle the low end, and I also like real crisp and clear highs for that clickety sound you get when slapping (sort of like Fieldy but I don't scoop the mids and I use more than just the B string).

    I appreciate any help you guys can give me.
     
  2. Oct 24, 2001 #2
    rllefebv

    rllefebv

    Oct 17, 2000
    Newberg, Oregon
    Before you completely chuck the 2X10 cab, have you tried bi-amping the rig with a 1X15 or larger cab? It truly opens the bottom end up. The Carvin 1X15 is a good match as it has the 4 Ohm speaker and can take advantage of the full 300W available when bi-amping.

    I usually take my RC210 solo to gigs, but when I know I am going to need some more bottom, I drag along the 1X15 and am always surprised at how much more breathing room it gives me. Another option on the 2X10 cab is to place some 'polyfil' in the cabinet for acoustical dampening. This slows down the sound waves within the cabinet, fooling the drivers and simulating a larger cabinet. I'm sure there is a ton of technical explanation surrounding this that I have no clue on. All I can say is that I definitely noticed improved low-range after adding some to my RC210. Here's a link:

    http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/show...20&St3=75507965&DS_ID=3&Product_ID=5699&DID=7

    Another option is to play through a single 15 cab using the head only. There's plenty of EQ available to get highs from the 15.

    If none of the above appeals to you, (and for what it's worth), I did have a chance to play the R600 head through a pair of Eden D-210XLT's and it sounded phenominal!!

    -robert
     
  3. Oct 24, 2001 #3
    phogchris

    phogchris www.scarsoflife.com

    May 27, 2000
    Boca Raton, FL
    You can get highs from the EQ, but they will not sound the same as a tweeter, so if you like the glassy highs, get a 15" to add to the 2X10 or get a 4X10....
     
  4. Oct 24, 2001 #4
    Phat Ham

    Phat Ham

    Feb 13, 2000
    DC
    Adding a 15 would help the bottom end, but it wouldn't help the top end. I need a cab that can produce lots of low end and cut through while giving me nice glassy highs. I know the Eden will do that for me, but I was wondering if anyone thinks there is a better cab out there.
     
  5. Oct 24, 2001 #5
    phogchris

    phogchris www.scarsoflife.com

    May 27, 2000
    Boca Raton, FL
    I prefer the SWR Goliath if I have another cabinet for lows, but if you can only get one cab, the 410XLT is the way to go.
     
  6. Oct 24, 2001 #6
    Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    How much did you have to put in there?
    Do you feel that the box sounds less boxy now?

    What other improvements have you found?

    Im asking because It would be nice to put some of that stuff inside of my Carvin Stack. I have always thought that dampening helps the sound a lot.
     
  7. Oct 24, 2001 #7
    Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Inactive

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    DR Strings
    I agree, in this situation.
     
  8. Oct 24, 2001 #8
    boobinga

    boobinga Guest

    Feb 9, 2001
    Pacific NW
    I play my 5 string thru an Eden 4x10 XLT and am very happy with it.
     
  9. Oct 24, 2001 #9
    bgavin

    bgavin

    May 3, 2001
    Orangevale, CA 95662
    Fill the cabinet completely without compressing the PolyFil material. Keep the port opening(s) unobstructed. You may have to use a restraint of some sort like fabric netting to do this.

    The Carvin speakers are designed to operate in a much larger volume than the RC210 provides. Any volumetric increase will be a benefit for the lows. The typical increase is limited to about 20 ~ 25% larger effective volume.
     
  10. Oct 24, 2001 #10
    Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    So it actually works huh?

    Im going to try that soon.
    Well, not that soon. Im very close to bankrupt by now. No sales this month
    :|
     
  11. Oct 24, 2001 #11
    Phat Ham

    Phat Ham

    Feb 13, 2000
    DC
    Well now I'm pretty much set on getting an Eden D410-XLT. Does anyone happen to know where I could find a used one? Or a good deal on a new one?
     
  12. Oct 25, 2001 #12
    Fender Boy

    Fender Boy

    Mar 9, 2001
    Des Moines , IA ,USA
    Good choice. I use an Eden 410xlt with a Carvin R600 bridged and it sounds great with my 4 and 5 string. You can get one new for $850 from most Eden dealers, even though they list for 2 to 4 hundred dollars more.