I was reading a recording newsgroup, and there were a couple guys who just bash the crap out of Mackie boards. I've been using a 1604 VLZ for 7 years doing live sound indoors and out, and I really like the sound and the layout of the board. Now I also have a 1402 VLZ Pro, and it is a great little board for rehearsal and small venues. I've never had to have one repaired, and I find them easy to set up and use. The sound is excellent. Am I a dork for liking these boards? I've looked at Allen & Heath, and their layout seems counter-intuitive. They also cost 50% more than a comparable Mackie. I doubt that they sound much better than the Mackie. Somebody set me straight, please. Give me logic and rational thought, though, not bile and vitriol.