Making myself crazy-Deciding new Am.Standard Fender

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by chiplexic, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. chiplexic


    Apr 21, 2004
    I want to buy a new American Standard Fender but I'm pathetically stuck on the fence between Jazz or Precision.

    I guess adding to my indecision is the fact that I have played a G&L L2k for many years and when I need more of a 60's jazz tone for being heard in the mix or want to fill up the holes with a thick P tone all I ever did was flick a switch.

    Right now I'm playing with old band mates from years back (now we're all married,boring has beens w/kids) and that music is moderate aggressive rock. A P or J would do fine right ?
    But it's not out of norm to do a more laid back thing with singer/acoustic/light electric-light drumming. say Wilco-Death Cab for Cutie-Grateful Dead souding. I always figured a P was best for that but look at the Eagles ,he does it with a Jazz.

    I know...nobody can make my mind for me. I guess I'm just venting. I'm just a little in between...Afraid I'll get the P and find that, on too many occasions, I lack some definition in the mix -OR- get the Jazz and want something a bit thicker in the low-mids at times. - til' then I'm stuck in neutral!! :scowl:
  2. MM Sterling HH


    Between J and P I think ultimately it's gonna come down to feel. I think both basses can do thick and thin and everything in between, albeit with their own nuances.
  3. sparrow


    May 26, 2005

    I had the same problem, thin neck and bridge pickup, i ordered a jazz!
  4. Which neck do you like the best? J or P
  5. Nedmundo

    Nedmundo Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2005
    I think conjunction usage is the problem. Just change the "or" to "and." Then you'll be just fine. :D

    Or, perhaps get the Jazz and install a series/parallel switch like the discontinued S-1. It really fattens up those low mids on the Jazz. It doesn't sound like a Precision, but it's a few steps in that direction.

    Perhaps even better, since you like G&L, get an SB-2. It's one of the best imaginable P-bass tones, and when you dime both pickups it's closer to a Jazz. You'll get single coil hum from the bridge pickup, but it's really an amazing bass.
  6. Croox


    Sep 16, 2007
    South Side Chicago
    I'm a jazz guy so i say get a jazz. Try a few out, then ask if they have any in back, try those. the QC is much better than previous years, but still all fenders are not created equal.
  7. staindbass


    Jun 9, 2008
    :meh: so why are you not buying a new g&l ? no one can deny the precision or jazz, but for someone like you who plays different music, the wider tonal variety may be your best choice? someone like me who already has records out, i cant go and change my sound, i need to sound like the record. enjoy the tonal freedom : ) johnny a
  8. chiplexic


    Apr 21, 2004
    S-1...I played a bunch of 06 and 07's Jazzes with S-1 and yes they did fatten it up. But I tend to be a bit of a purist and would like it to work for me in classic form.
    Having said that , I have a set of Jazz Seymour Duncan Antiquity II's I got cheap. They're known for thick tone in a vintage style. ala: JohnPaul Jones. So one line of thought was I could always drop those into the Am Std Jazz if the stock set up left me disappointed.

    SB-2...yes they are a great bass. I had one for a short time but returned it within GC 30 day trial due to finding out it had some minor issues. Kind of wish I had kept it in hind site. With extremely dead strings on it the thing was a thump monster. Jamerson to the max. Those MFD pickups push whatever tone comes off the fretboard. I brought it home and put a set of Rotosound stainless Round wounds on it and I now realize it was a mistake. Way too much zing and treble (untameable). To do over again I would put a bottom heavy set of flats on it and probably would have been very happy.

    But what I'm really after right now is the traditional Alnico pickup tone of classic Fender.
  9. chiplexic


    Apr 21, 2004
    On the Am Standard basses I like both the P and Jazz neck. The Jazz neck is thick enough down at the 1-3 frets that I find it very comfortable. And the Precision being a 1 5/8" nut is also very comfortable. Thus adding to my indecision !!
  10. Check out the Tony Franklin fretted, it has a P/j configuration.
  11. Nedmundo

    Nedmundo Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2005
    Fair enough. Unless you play through 15" speakers, through which I think Precisions almost always sound better, I'd say start with the Jazz as I did. It's a little more versatile, and I think Fender's Jazz pickups are slightly better, relative to others, than their Precision pickups. And you can always fatten the low mids with EQ. I think my 2003 Am. Ser. Jazz and 2008 Am. Std. Jazz V are amazing. I'm more of a P-bass guy at heart, but these things just get the job done time and time again, and the stock pickups in the Jazz V sound as good as the noiseless Fralins in my 2003. It's incredibly resonant, and sounds huge. Fender knocked it out of the park with the new ones.

    Another option might be the Tony Franklin fretted Precision, which has P/J pickups and a three way selector. The pickups are balanced for relatively even output in every setting, which is cool. I bet it's awesome, but haven't tried one.
  12. BigNoise


    Nov 19, 2007
    Knoxville, TN
    I'll sell you my P
  13. RickenBoogie


    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    How about a Deluxe P bass? Got the P covered, and alot of other tones in the active eq. Also, the body is slightly smaller, and the neck is sortof in between a P and a J.
  14. Philbiker

    Philbiker Pat's the best!

    Dec 28, 2000
    Northern Virginia, USA
    Bingo. The P/J tone of course is not a Jazz tone, but it's closer to a Jazz tone than a Jazz bass can get to a P tone. I'm thrilled with my P/J Peavey USA Millenium Standard. Absolutely convincing P tone with more flavor avaiable when we need it. (I don't likw the J pickup however).

    Another option - pick one and get an SX of other cheapie of the other style for the times when you want that tone.

    Look at it this way - you can't lose either way - you are definitely going to end up with a winner with a USA Fender. And if you change your mind they have great resale value. Have you considered used? You may be able to have both!
  15. mongo2


    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    From what you say above I think your L2K should do just fine. Why fix what ain't broke?
  16. chiplexic


    Apr 21, 2004
    Haha...I know. Your right. My L2k has done everything I've needed for years and I still play it exclusively. So much of what I've listened to and loved over the years was done on a traditional Fender with alnico magnet pickups. I've just got the bug for a Fender tone. And I've set aside some cash just to scratch this itch. I guess I've just never had to struggle through a set wishing my tone had more or less of something. The L2k always gave me a quick remedy with the flick of a switch. Well I guess I'll never know what the right choice is until I get off the pot and choose.
  17. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    I've played quite a few of the new American Standard P's and Jazzes. IMHO, they are both great. :hyper:

    If I were faced with your dilemma, I would get the P-bass. For the styles you mention, it is perfect. Also, IMHO, the P-bass IS is the most important bass tone in all types of recorded American Popular music of the last 45 years. :ninja:

    Once you save up the capitol, you can go back and get a Jazz. :bassist: :bassist:
  18. Hansel


    Jan 20, 2008
    Kitchener, Ontario
    In my opinion the new AM standard is mind blowing. I played a Candy Cola Jazz with maple yesterday and it was dreamy.

    I think it's really about the neck. You should be able to get any tone using an eq or ur amp, but playability wise it's about what you want from the neck. What do you feel more comfy playing?
  19. bassalo


    Jan 23, 2008
    James Lomenzo of Megadeth plays a Marcus Miller Jazz. Yes, a jazz bass for Megadeth.

    You can do a alot with either the P or J. Just get what feels right and sounds more versatile to you.
  20. Madness


    Jul 27, 2005
    Madison, WI
    You know, I'm glad I don't have to make this decision. I fell into a Jazz and am happy I did. It's an awesome versatile instrument, of course the flip side to that is that I won't rest until I get myself a P.