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Marshall or Fender rig? :-/

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ventus, Feb 4, 2016.


  1. ventus

    ventus

    May 13, 2013
    Sweden
    Help me decide which bass rig I should have. Today I own VBA400 Marshall and Marshall VBC412. It's a really great bass rig, but I am looking to buy Fender Rumble 500 Head and V3 Rumble 410 / 115. I think that Marshall rig sounds a bit dark and my Jazz does not sound like a Jazz through Marshall rig. Will I get worse or better sound with Fender Rumble head and cabinets? : - /
     
  2. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    You have a great head and an okay cab right now. You're looking at getting an okay head with two okay cabs in a horrible pairing.

    The Rumble series is entry level gear. Very good for entry level gear, but entry level nonetheless. Not to mention the 4x10 and 1x15 pairing is a horrible combination.


    Keep your VBA400 and look for a better cab.
     
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  3. ventus

    ventus

    May 13, 2013
    Sweden
    I also believe that VBA400 may sound great through another cab . Previously I had a Hartke VX215 and VBA400 sounded good . Personally I do not like VBC412 : - / Do you have any suggestions for a good cab to VBA400 ?

    I have the opportunity to change one of my VBC412 to 2x Genz - Benz über 115
     
  4. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Since you're in Europe, I have to recommend Barefaced Cabs.
     
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  5. Linnin

    Linnin

    Jul 19, 2012
    Linningrad, Earth
    First, go right ahead and audition a Fender Rumble 500. You'll most likely have to play through a combo, but that will still tell the tone tale with your jazz bass. Prepare to be amazed.

    Whether you like the Rumble or not, I would ditch your Marshall rig and move on to something better.
     
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  6. You're in Sweden... the heart of the Baltics... where 13 ply Baltic Birch comes from!

    Sell your massive marshall cab, and use that dough to help buy a 5x5 sheet of baltic birch, an eminence 3015, a 6nm410 neo, a few CBG crossover elements, and build that uber-perfect fEARful 15/6 that's calling your name!
    Index of /fEARful/DL/15+6
    Do that, and you'll be the talk of Stockholm!
     
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  7. ventus

    ventus

    May 13, 2013
    Sweden

    And ... what do you think is better? I have not had so many amps and cabs so I do not know
     
  8. ventus

    ventus

    May 13, 2013
    Sweden
    Thanks!
    It is definitely an option :)
     
  9. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    At risk of coming off insulting, Linnin thinks the Fender Rumble series is the best bass amp past present and future. I respectfully disagree.
     
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  10. Linnin

    Linnin

    Jul 19, 2012
    Linningrad, Earth
    First of all I do think the Fender Rumble is better sounding than the Marshall. Thousands of semi-professional gigging bass players have made the switch to the Rumble line for the superb tone/sound quality; professional features, and extremely light weight. Nothing sounds better than a Fender bass through a Fender Bass amp.

    Marshall has never had a desirable bass tone, and never been a popular choice. You, yourself have said as much and want to switch.
     
  11. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Have you ever played the Marshall VBA400? I am not a fan of Marshall bass amps either, but that 400 watt tube monster is the exception that proves the rule.
     
  12. abarson

    abarson

    Nov 6, 2003
    Santa Cruz
    cfsporn,
    There is an enormous difference between the current generation Fender Rumbles and the previous amps with this moniker. I'm in no way a Fender fanboy, but I totally respect their new Rumble line.

    ventus,
    You're in Sweden and can't get EBS? For some reason, they seem to have a strong affinity to Jazz basses.
     
  13. ventus

    ventus

    May 13, 2013
    Sweden
    Have you considered that it might have a lot to do with the price ? :) I have played Rickenbacker , Precision ... and they sound just fine through Marshall. Jazz bass I think does not sound good through Marshall. The Fender bass rigs I played the Fender Studio Bass and Fender Rumble 500 V3 combo. Both sounded good , but not so good if it had not been for some pedals ... such as Tech 21 VT etc...
    I have not had the Fender 410-115 and 500 head...that is reason why I ask the question here.
     
  14. Linnin

    Linnin

    Jul 19, 2012
    Linningrad, Earth
    I've heard them on two occasions. Not for me. I don't like the Mesa 400 either, or the ampeg STV. If I'm going to have a "baked in" colored tone, I'll take the baked goods from the Fender Tone Bakery.

    For a more modern and transparent bass amp, I do like Eden, and their cabinets are excellent. The only reason Eden still exists is that Marshall owns them and keeps them afloat.

    New Genzler 800 sounds good in the few videos I've heard.
     
  15. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    I never said the Fender Rumble v3 was a bad amp. In fact I said quite the opposite.

    Having played one, I think they are very good entry level amps.
     
  16. gsgbass

    gsgbass "ROAD REX" Supporting Member

    It plays, and pounds with a great tube tone. The Super Bassman / Bassman 410 Neo.

    AXFR3Et.
     
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  17. basscooker

    basscooker Commercial User

    Apr 11, 2010
    cincy ky
    Owner, ChopShopAmps
    Calling @Clammy, I smell a VBC412 hitting the market...
     
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  18. Yahboy

    Yahboy

    May 21, 2008
    I am a Fender Rumble user from first gen to 3rd gen, and own a Marshall MB450h + MBC410 previously.

    I don't know how VBA sound like, but I have play with old B150. Both Marshall sound deep and big low with vintage voice. Play with round string still sound like flat. The treble is dim. Have to mention that MB450h's modern tone is truly worst and the compressor is useless.

    From sound nothing special first gen rumble 100/210, to clear sound 2nd gen rumble 75, until current scoop vintage voice V3 200/115 .
    V3 sound really nice and sexy, bring the vibe that you can find closer to Tube Bassman, but just spend with little money.

    OP have play with cheap Fender Rumble rig, I believe the tube Bassman vibe would make you much happy.

    Just my 2cent and I always with Linnin in same boat, yes, that boat always rumble.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2016
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  19. ventus

    ventus

    May 13, 2013
    Sweden
    Marshall rig out and two Genz Benz Uber 115 in. Now to the amplifier ... I have the opportunity to buy:

    * GB Streamliner 600 (used)
    * EBS Reidmar 750 (used)
    * GB Shuttle 12.2 (used)

    I play in a rock/pop/funk band that is quite loud :) I want an amp that delivers round, fat and clean sound. Any suggestions on what amp I will buy? :)
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2016
  20. The VBA400 is an absolute BEAST of an amp.
    If you want similar power but with less weight AND the FENDER vibe. .. try the all tube Fender Super Bassman -300w of all tube lush goodness AND both the original Fender tone stack as well as an active channel that's got a superb overdrive blendable option.
    It's my favorite amp of all time. SVTs Marshalls... Fenders Aguilars... Genz Benz.. Mesa. .
    So thick and lush sounding (I know the VBA400 is all tube and thick sounding too, but this, imo, is on another level. .... and that it's 25lbs or so lighter ain't bad neither :woot:
     
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