Memorizing Jazz Tunes

Discussion in 'Jazz Technique [DB]' started by rushmaniac15, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. rushmaniac15

    rushmaniac15

    Mar 6, 2012
    Hi TB,
    I'm at a summer program up at Berklee and I have to memorize Mr. PC, Blues for Alice, Nostalgia in Time Square, and Straight No Chaser both the melody and chords in every key. Although I understand this is reasonable to ask of my teacher I am really having trouble moving the melody from key to key. Any tips to possibly make it easier?
    Thanks,
    Rushmaniac15
     
  2. Jazzdogg

    Jazzdogg Less barking, more wagging!

    Jul 29, 2006
    San Diego, CA
    Break the song down into discrete phrases, and learn each song phrase by phrase. I find it a little easier when I learn numeric intervals (e.g., IV, ii, V, I) instead of note names.
     
  3. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Practice more...that works every time. :D
     
  4. Tom Lane

    Tom Lane Gold Supporting Member

    I find being able to sing the melody *clearly* helps me memorize tunes. Sometimes the melody is so similar between the A and C sections that I have to memorize the lyrics to nail the melody. Hope that helps.
     
  5. hdiddy

    hdiddy Official Forum Flunkee Supporting Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    Richmond, CA
    +1. Melody is everything. And IMO, only lyrics trump the melody. Learn the lyrics first, then melody, then changes.
     
  6. This....but I also find it handy to transcribe the phrases I'm learning. It helps me 'see' the shapes on the board.
     
  7. Isn't the essence of jazz improvisation??

    Or am I missing something here ....
     
  8. It is, yes. But you have to know the rules before you break 'em....
     
  9. True
     
  10. nickbass

    nickbass

    Apr 29, 2005
    Northants, UK
    Improvisation is the activity - the content comes from an internalised store of rhythms and melodies that we share. That's why your teacher is asking you to learn these tunes - so that you've got something to improvise with!
     
  11. dkimbrobass

    dkimbrobass

    Jul 16, 2011
    Knoxville, TN
    This helped me...

    Try to use "closed" positions when you learn the melody...avoiding open strings. It can be tough on an upright when you're getting into the upper positions, but if you try to think like an electric player and think of the melody as a fingerboard pattern then it can be easier to transpose to a different key. Try to choreograph the melodies in such a way that you shift only when you have to. Once you learn the melodies like this, in the different keys, you can decide "where" on the bass to play them for the best sound, effect etc.
     
  12. hdiddy

    hdiddy Official Forum Flunkee Supporting Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    Richmond, CA
    OH yeah, I forgot to mention: Regardless of where you're transposing, if you can't sing it, you can't play it.

    Esp in transposition. If I can't sing it in the new key, I won't be able to play it much less begin to finger it. If I have to transpose on the spot, I try to prehear it in my head as I'm playing it.
     
  13. Stick_Player

    Stick_Player Inactive

    Nov 13, 2009
    Somewhere on the Alaska Panhandle (Juneau)
    Endorser: Plants vs. Zombies Pea Shooters
    Sounds like a lot of busy work.

    Mr. P.C. in F# Minor. 1, 2. 1, 2, 3, 4.

    But, as a bassisit, it is very good to know and be able to play the melody. Might even help you when you solo. :eek:
     
  14. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    I've had some singing lessons and am regularly singing in a choir now - but there's no way I can sing melodies in every key - I could go for a few either way certainly, but every key, sounds pretty hard to me! :p
     
  15. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Humming works as well.
     
  16. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    [Makes indeterminate noise]

    Hmmm....mmm. :p
     
  17. hdiddy

    hdiddy Official Forum Flunkee Supporting Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    Richmond, CA
    This point isn't that you're trying to be the next Sarah Vaughan. You should at least be able to sing it clearly in your head even though they might not come out with the proper pitch out of your mouth. Think of it closer to what you would hear Keith Jarrett do (hopefully a little better?)
     
  18. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Well some of the higher notes will be a bit 'strangled', certainly.... :p

    (And I'm trying not to think of Keith Jarrett singing!)
     
  19. Tom Lane

    Tom Lane Gold Supporting Member

    I find that if I can hear it clearly in my head, I can get it to come out of my mouth. Sometimes it sounds like a strangled cat, but the pitch is accurate. When it's really too high, I switch octaves. I do find that it's a big issue while I'm soloing though because when I'm trying to sing and solo at the same time, once the pitch gets too low or too high for my voice, I get distracted and loose my thought. Not sure how others deal with that but I've seen great players do it without issue.
     
  20. hdiddy

    hdiddy Official Forum Flunkee Supporting Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    Richmond, CA
    I took a private lesson with Ratzo Harris who suggested that I actually sing at the pitch of the bass, for the sake of intonation. Singing it up an octave is def easier but harder to get the intonation just right. Of course singing it lower is hard but I think his point is that the mind has to be hearing it that low. It's a relatively new things for me, but this sort of psuedo-singing has been yield a tremendous amount of good for my intonation - I'll dare say even more than arco.

    If you get distracted, I'd just take it even slower and slower until you don't get distracted anymore. I'm starting to become a big fan of taking a recording and playing along with it at a painful tempo - 50-60bpm or maybe even less. Makes it far easier to nail the articulations right away not to mention that benefits of time and pulse being more exact and not sloppy and buried under a faster tempo.