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Miles Davis - 'Live At The Fillmore East, March 7, 1970: It's About That Time'

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by DaveBeny, Jun 19, 2001.


  1. DaveBeny

    DaveBeny

    Mar 22, 2000
    London, UK
    As far as I'm aware, this hasn't been released yet, but there is a review of it at www.allmusic.com

    http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A9aq6g4jptv6z

    I've been looking forward to this release since I read about it - the review is great - I can't wait to get my hands on it!

    The same website has a review of the complete 'In A Silent Way' sessions box-set, which again, isn't due out for a while (I think).

    David
     
  2. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    ...I'm keeping my eyes open for this; it's now an August release? www.miles-davis.com is also a helpful site.
    Anyway, I finally finished Miles Beyond by Paul Tingen...*great* book, IMO, about Miles' electric bands. The group on It's About That Time is called the "forgotten 5-tet"(Miles, Shorter, Holland, Corea, & DeJohnette + Airto)...so, this release/recording is a must for Miles' fans.

    BTW, the bad thing about reading books-
    ...within the past week, I have picked up:
    Panthalassa...Laswell's remastered album of Miles' music; the bass & drums are mixed "hot" on this one. Not bad. ;)
    Agharta...LIVE 2-cd set; this group is called "the Cosey band" in Tingen's book. Cosey is an awesome guitarist/musician(Michael Henderson is playing Fender bass). The music on this release is like a giant ever-evolving tapestry of sound.
    Star People...I totally missed out on this one when it was first released. Anyway, Marcus Miller is on this one(Mike Stern on guitar). Some pretty hot Funk figures by MM on this one.
     
  3. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    This album is also reviewed in the June edition of the UK "JazzWise" magazine and gets a rating of 4 stars + recommended - which is their highest possible score and is very rare for an "electric" album.

    I am definitely getting this one - Dave Holland on electric (Fender) bass - in fact I'm going up to Borders today to ask when ithey are getting it.

    Here's a quote from the review:

    "it's nothing remotely like the studio albums. It's more adventurous, more accomplished, more committed, more meaningful and more exciting."
     
  4. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Any band worth their weight will play better LIVE; that's the way it should be! ;)

    What's cool about this album to me is the year 1970; that's right on the cusp of '70s Fusion...Jazz-Rock had already begun a breeding ground, Jazz & Rock musicians were sharing. Musically, cool things were happenin'(IMO). Life's reality helped make the music scene a bubbling cauldron of activity & experimentation. I'm stoked; now, I hope this album lives up to its billing(really, though, another Miles & SHORTER record can't be that bad).

    FWIW-
    I listened to Disc 1 from Agharta last night; pretty dense stuff...Sonny Fortune takes some nice solos(that's for Bruce), Al Foster sounds about as Rocked-out as I've ever heard him, Cosey is a monster, Henderson is rock steady with with R&B grooves. This set was released in '76.
     
  5. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I just had a brief trip to the record shops and I was initially confused - there are just so many Miles CDs now and I thought I had seen this CD before; but thankfully I had clipped the review from the magazine.

    There are of course two live double CD sets from 1970 already available - re-mastered in 1970 and these have got reasonable reviews - and they are (also) Live at the Fillmore East and West - one is also called "Black Beauty".

    But they are from April and June of 1970 - what a great year it must have been for Miles and what an experience for Dave Holland coming over from England to play at gigs like these!

    So as Jim pointed out the big difference is that on the new release Wayne Shorter is still there, whereas he is replaced by Steve Grossman on Soprano for the later live albums and also Keith Jarrett was added on organ for the second one.

    I checked and the release date for the new one is July 16th in England.
     
  6. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Bruce-
    ...be a little leery of some of those other Fillmore LIVE sets; I have Black Beauty & the sound is mushy(supposedly, all that stuff is gonna be remastered by Sony within the next couple years).
    The Agharta discs are "sound"...

    Star People arrived today; man, if you guys want a F-U-N-K album, check this one out! I bought my copy from www.towerrecords.com($14).
    My disc sez "Made In France" on it...you English guys should have no problema pickin' this one up! ;)
    Anyway, Marcus Miller is throwing down some definite Jaco-esque 1/16th note, bridge pickup/single coil Jazz figures. A couple of the smokers on this disc are of the "jam on a groove 'til it hurts" variety. It's pretty cool hearing Miller while Stern solos; IMO, a happenin' disc. A lot more relatable, IMO, than, say, On The Corner.
    Fans of The Headless Torsos will also dig this album.
     
  7. I should get that, my Miles Davis collection if fairly small. I have Bitches Brew, Kind of Blue, On the Corner, Sketches of Spain, and Birth of the Cool. I did read Miles' autobiography and found it very entertaining, although I didn't like how he kept saying how he hated racism and then the next minute said something bad about white people, like how we like to undermine black people's success or something like that. Good book though, and I love his music.
     
  8. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Something I just stumbled upon(from Miles Beyond by Paul Tingen).
    A "white" guy from England, Paul Buckmaster, was instrumental in helping Miles piece together On The Corner's "Funk with an experimental edge".

    Miles always had/employed "white" musicians; Miles worked closely with Gil Evans & totally trusted Teo Macero(producer/tape splicer on Bitches Brew, Circle In The Round, etc).
    Miles ain't perfect; IMO, though, he's no racist.
    ...to me, those he's not too enamored with are the very same people I'm not too crazy about, either:
    Beaurocrats, people who abuse power, politicians, yaddayadda.
    It ain't "we", it's THEM! ;)

    BTW, you have a fairly eclectic Miles' collection goin' on...BUT nothing from the "2nd *Great* 5-tet"? ;)
     
  9. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    That's right "Miles Smiles", "ESP" and "Nefertiti" are essentials and contain lots of tracks which are now Jazz standards. And my guide to Jazz on CD rates "Live at the Plugged Nickel" as the best Jazz live album ever!! :eek:

    I am going to wait for the new Fillmore album and get that, given the universally good reviews.
     
  10. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Live @The Fillmore East/It's About That Time is *GREAT*!










    ...just kidding, I'm still awaiting its release. ;)
    Anyway, here's some more Miles' goodies on the horizon-

    "Sometime" in 2001-2002...
    there's supposed to be THREE 2-cd sets of Miles Live @The Cellar Door. The band: Gary Bartz(sax), Keith Jarrett, Michael Henderson, Jack DeJohnette, Airto, & John McLaughlin.
    Also, something called the Juan Le Pins Sessions; the band: SHORTER, Corea, Holland, & DeJohnette...the 'lost 5-tet' again!
    Needless to say, these are ultra-rare Miles.

    AND-
    A LIVE box set '63-'64 will contain Four & More/My Funny Valentine, Miles In Europe, Miles In Tokyo, and Miles In Berlin.
    Dammit, where's Miles In Stockholm?!?!
    (So what if that was NOT '63-'64). ;)
     
  11. DaveBeny

    DaveBeny

    Mar 22, 2000
    London, UK
    Does anyone know exactly what is happening with this album? In HMV's 'Choice' magazine (a free "guide to specialist music"), it lists: 'Miles Davis At Filmore East March 7, 1970 (2CD), released 16th July. The CD retail websites I'd checked also listed its release for Monday 16th July.

    I couldn't find the album in any high-street music shop yesterday. HMV claim not to have any information on the album in their system, and a couple of websites, CDnow.com, Amazon, and Tower, now state the release date as August 21st. What's going on? The waiting is killing me!

    David
     
  12. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    ...I feel your pain, Dave.
     
  13. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Well, I'm interested, but there are always albums to buy - I've been given about 10 recommendations from the non-walking Jazz bass thread and ordered John Patitucci's first album from Amazon on Jon Packard's reminder/recommendation - never seen that CD in the shops.

    I suppose that you have to buy albums like this when they first come out, as most retailers don't re-stock rare Jazz CDs that often! :(
     
  14. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Here's another suggestion(I just got this one yesterday)-
    Ethnic Stew & Brew by Roy Campbell's Pyramid Trio(w/ William Parker & Hamid Drake).
    IMHO, what Parker's playing on his ACOUSTIC bass would translate very nicely to an electric bass.
    Not much(if any) 'walking', per se...some 'Funky'/Latin-ish grooves/ostinatos played by Parker.
    ...& Drake is baaaddddd! ;)

    (Patitucci's 1st solo album is pretty happenin', too)
     
  15. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Dave-
    ...only a couple more weeks to go(hopefully). ;)
    I did pick up two latest re-issued Miles cds today; they're the RVG/Blue Note Vol 1 & Vol 2.
    Classic stuff with Jimmy & Percy Heath, JJ Johnson, etc.

    ***PUNCHIN' IN***
    Just wanted to add that the new Dave Holland 5-tet cd is due out in a couple weeks.
    Plus Patitucci's new one...
     
  16. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
  17. slam

    slam Guest

    Mar 22, 2000
    Virginia
    Where did you find out about the Cellar Door live album? I would love to hear that one. Live-Evil being one of my favorite Miles albums.
     
  18. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    slam-
    There's a site I sometimes hit called www.jazzcorner.com
    At Jazz Corner, there are some guys who are 'in-the-know'; writers(like Chris Albertson, Scott Yanow, Brian Owlenick, etc)post there all the time.
    Some guys 'brag' about receiving advance copies & post their reviews/thoughts(they must work for radio?).
    Anyway, I'm pretty sure the Cellar Door info was on one of the Miles' threads at that site.

    I just got We Want Miles from Tower yesterday; some more prety happenin' LIVE electric stuff with Marcus Miller, Stern, Al Foster...
    It's ONE disc & it's packed(was originally a 2 record set?). In any event, worth checking out(IMO). ;)
     
  19. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Well...anybody got this yet?
    I call the BIG store in town this afternoon; they had ONE copy & sold it. ONE copy!? C'mon! This store is huge(area-wise)...they have no problem stocking the obligatory 100 copies of the new N'Stink, BSBoiz, Bratney, Mandy Moore, et al.
    Anyway, I do go there & buy their ONE copy of Dave Holland's new one.
    So, on the way home, I stop at another 'big' store...they're not even stocking this Miles' title(yet).
    Just got home & ordered the thing on-line. Maybe by this weekend...;)

    ...and I'm supposed to go to bed at night without taking medication?!
     
  20. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    ...well, it's just me in here, huh?
    Anyway, I checked out Disc 1 last night-
    The quality of sound is about what I expected; definitely in a '70s vibe(if you have some of the other LIVE Miles albums, then you'll know what I mean).
    Holland's bass is not real distinct on this recording; on a whole, the bottome end is a little thick. Overall, the entire group sound is dense...
    At times, Corea's Fender Rhodes gets distorted.
    I'm guessing much of these sound 'problems' are the result of Jazz guys playin' LOUD & in a ROCK venue(The Fillmore); IMO, ROCK guys manage volume a lot better. In fact, one writer(Eric Niesensen)attributed this 'shortcoming' as a reason why '70s Fusion failed...stellar musicianship when compared to the Rockers, yet the Fusioneers' high-energy improvising didn't translate to the listener at such a high volume...sounded like a convoluted mish-mash(?).

    Im any event, Shorter is 'out there' & soaring on It's About That Time...he's definitely the highlight(so far).