military rank question!

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  1. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    ???? I'd never heard that before. And I have a head full of just that kind of useless trivia. :confused: :confused: :confused:
     
  2. JRBrown

    JRBrown

    Jun 21, 2000
    North Carolina
    I'm an E-8. What is an E-10? Never heard of it. :meh:

    EDit: Got it. "The highest Enlisted Rank is E-9, except the E-10's appointed in wartime for certain Billets. Highest Officer Grade is O-10."
     
  3. I more or less knew about it from watching war movies. :) I think Telly Savales' character in Battle of the Bulge was a Tech Sergeant Grade 3.
     
  4. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    I don't want to sound as disparaging as this probably will, but never trust anything you see in a movie to be accurate about military matters. If it actually happens to be correct...then that was a fluke, a lucky coincidence.

    One of my personal peeves about the TV show Third Watch, which started out as the most accurate portrayal of street paramedics I had seen...and the turned into just another soap opera, is that they have many times referred to some character having gotten his paramedic training as 'a medic in the marines.' Marines don't have medics. They have us. I was a Navy corpsman. Any time you see a marine unit out in the field, the guy who supplies all their immediate medical attention is a sailor. We're the only squids the jarheads like.
     
  5. I know exactly what you're saying, and I think that filmmakers aren't supposed to show a uniform that goes by regulation. In other words, when you usually see someone in Class A uniform they've gone out of their way to make sure something is "wrong." Whether it's an Airborne tab over the Ranger tab or a unit patch over the right pocket or medals in goofy places...

    That being said, you can go to most any surplus store and find old "Ike" jackets with tech sgt stripes. I think they used them up until they went to the Spec4/5/6 system- which was in use by Vietnam.
     
  6. jayzarecki

    jayzarecki

    Feb 23, 2005
    san diego, CA
    as in reguards to getting e-2 after basic/training etc...i knew some guys that i was in basic with who didnt get e-2 untill liek 6-9 month sin. but it depends, i was promoted during AIT to e-3 and hit e-5 just over a year. but it all depends on what your MOS (job) is.
     
  7. I was just thinking about the 82nd Airborne post... In the John Wayne Green Berets movie there's one scene where the Duke and some dude are standing at the jump towers at Ft Benning GA and take a nice leisurely stroll to the Iron Mike statue... at Ft Bragg NC.
    When I was in 3rd Cav it was policy to wait that full year. It took me a year to go from E-2 to E-3. We changed platoon sergeants, then got my SP/4 in a month and a half. I didn't get to the boards for my E-5 for almost 2 years. Fortunately I nearly maxxed out my points so even though 11C ususally stayed up around 'nine ninty never' I still made it on my first try. I thought infantry made E-5 easy, what MOS gets to E-5 in a year?
     
  8. jayzarecki

    jayzarecki

    Feb 23, 2005
    san diego, CA
    13M and 19K depends on the strenth of the platoon/battery etc... armor/artillery We had a bunch op guys who came out of AIT and were promoted to corporal right away and went to PLDC in like another month...speedy
     
  9. Sorry, it may seem cool for the soldier's bank account, but that just doesn't seem like good policy. An NCO with ZERO experience...

    I've done Armored Cav with Cav Scouts and DATs, and those guys didn't get promoted THAT fast.
     
  10. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    I don't speak Army MOS's. In the Navy your job is part od your rank. So I guess you would say ALL of our enlisted ranks are specialist grades. We had programs in which, if you enlisted for a high-demand field that required extensive school, you pin on E-4 as soon as you graduate from A-school.

    The Marines had an equivalent program, using several of the same schools. They got called 'Contract Corporals.' We got called 'Push-button Crows.' But these E-4's aren't generally in any kind of real leadership positions. They were usually more technician types.
     
  11. ColonelZulu

    ColonelZulu Not Impressed By Those Who Flaunt “Authority” Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    Policy in 325th AIR, 82nd ABN when I was there...you don't get Corporal until you get PLDC done...and you have to be in a Team Leader slot.

    I started as an E1 in 1986. I didn't make E2 until probably 6 months in service.
    Some people showed up at Basic as E2s, but usually for some educational credit deal they worked out with their recruiter (I assume).
     
  12. srxplayer

    srxplayer

    May 19, 2004
    Highland, CA
    In the US Armed Forces a Warrant Officer is a "specialty Officer" as opposed to a Lt. Major, Colonel etc., which are "General Officers". Both are actual commisioned military officer ranks.

    A Warrant Officers career path stays within their specialized field IE: Aviation, transportation, medical etc. They can command units within their specialty just like General Officers but this is something that has changed in the miltary in the last decade. The General Officer can be moved from different commands over different specialties.

    An example would be an Colonel who was an Apache Pilot could be put in command of an Intel. unit or over the command of an entire base. The Warrant Officer's carrer opportunities would not allow that.

    The Warrant Officer pay scale is similar but slightly lower to a General Officer of similar rank and tops out around that of a Major for a CWO4. There is a CWO5 now but I have no knowledge of what that rank gets paid or what it's function is.

    I read recently that the Army is pushing a program to get their NonComs (Seargents) to apply to become Warrant Officers.

    The USAF does not have the Warrant Officer rank any more only the Army, Navy, and Marine Corp.

    Hope that explains it.
     
  13. ColonelZulu

    ColonelZulu Not Impressed By Those Who Flaunt “Authority” Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    http://basic.armystudyguide.com/general/ranks.htm

    Actually that's not completely correct. Warrants are not commissioned. Other than that, you're pretty close (at least for the Army).

    Also, the use of the term "General Officers" was incorrect.

    I think you're trying to differentiate between Warrant Officers...
    officers appointed by warrant by the Secretary of the Army, based upon a sound level of technical and tactical competence. The warrant officer is the highly specialized expert and trainer who, by gaining progressive levels of expertise and leadership, operates, maintains, administers, and manages the Army’s equipment, support activities, or technical systems for an entire career.
    (Para 1-7 DA Pamphlet 600-11)

    Further clarification of the role of a warrant officer is found in FM 22-100.

    "Warrant officers are highly specialized, single-track specialty officers who receive their authority from the Secretary of the Army upon their initial appointment. However, Title 10 USC authorizes the commissioning of warrant officers (WO1) upon promotion to chief warrant officer (CW2). These commissioned warrant officers are direct representatives of the president of the United States. They derive their authority from the same source as commissioned officers but remain specialists, in contrast to commissioned officers, who are generalists. Warrant officers can and do command detachments, units, activities, and vessels as well as lead, coach, train, and counsel subordinates. As leaders and technical experts, they provide valuable skills, guidance, and expertise to commanders and organizations in their particular field."
    (Para A-3, Field Manual 22-100)


    and Commissioned officers, which are further stratified -

    Company Grade officers:
    2LT, 1LT, CPT

    Field Grade officers:
    MAJ, LTC, COL

    and
    General Officers:
    BG, MG, LTG, GEN, GOA

    There has been a recent push to get more NCOs to seek a Warrant. However, it's not a new program. Most of the Warrants I know were NCOs (usually SSG-E6 types), other than pilots.

    One new issue in the Army is the change from the Warrant Officer Corps branch insignia [​IMG] (this wreath looking thing) to their specialty branch insignia like their commissioned counterparts.

    Funny thing is that there will be no officer branch insignia on the new ACUs that are coming out (designed by NCOs...).
    We'll survive...it's just comical the change upon change.
     
  14. jayzarecki

    jayzarecki

    Feb 23, 2005
    san diego, CA
    yeah well PLDC is still a requirement.... and bncoc
     
  15. How do you get to IET and PLDC and have any experience around a year? All I'm sayin' is that it doesn't bode well for the leadership structure of the company or troop or whatever (or batallion or squadron). All chiefs and no indians sort of thing.

    That being said, I did make my E-6 without BNCOC, but that was after drill sergeant school AND in the Reserves.
     
  16. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    Man. I gotta get an Army-English/ English-Army translation program. I can't make sense out of all these abbrev's.
     
  17. I can't believe I remember all that stuff. It's been a long while, but when you start thinking about it and it all just comes out.

    IET- Initial Entry Training= Basic Training
    AIT- Advanced Individual Training= Job Training
    PLDC- Primary Leadership Development Course
    BNCOC- Basic NCO Course
    ANCOC- Advanced NCO Course
    AIR- Airborne Infantry Regiment
    (as opposed to) PIR- Parachute Infantry Regiment
    (there's no difference now- but back in the day 325 was Glider Infantry and 504, 505 and 508 were just regular 'jump outta the airplane' Infantry.)
    ACU- I have no idea- I assume it's the new BDU-Battle Dress Uniform
     
  18. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    I 'know' that the Navy speaks a different language than the rest of the world, but most Navy-ism's felt like normal speech to me by the time I got out. If I babble any Navy-ish nonsense in one of these threads, just ask. I'll re-phrase.
     
  19. srxplayer

    srxplayer

    May 19, 2004
    Highland, CA
    My info was based on an article I read about a year and a half a go on the internet.

    I don't claim to be an expert so I stand corrected.

    Thanks Zulu.

    By the way do you have any idea of what the CWO5 rank is all about? Thats something I had never heard of before reading that article.
     
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