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Minor II - V changes. Something other than root - five?

Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by superphat, Oct 21, 2002.


  1. superphat

    superphat

    Sep 30, 2001
    anybody got suggestions for what to play over a Minor II - V besides root-five?

    Gdim / C7+9 / Fm (for example)

    i guess i'm stuck in a rut - everything other than the root or five is sounding unnatural or lacking in support for the chord changes.
     
  2. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    First, a min ii will be a m7b5 chord, not a diminished.

    You've got it written for 4 beats to a bar, so off the top of my head:

    G A Bb Db / C Bb A G / F
    G F Eb Db / C D Eb E / F
    G Db C Bb / C D C Bb / A
    Bb A G F / G F E D / C



    This could go on forever.....
     
  3. moley

    moley

    Sep 5, 2002
    Hampshire, UK
    Surely a II7 chord would be a m7b5. A II chord would be a mb5. Which is the same as diminished. Admittedly, a II7 would be more common, but superphat said II not II7.
     
  4. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    I think, from the chord progression he included (with the altered dominant) that the 7th of the chord would be included. 3 note chords are not common in music that uses minor ii-V progressions.


    If you want to nit-pick, why dont we noticed that he asked about a major quality 2 chord (II), not the minor quality (ii). :rolleyes:
     
  5. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    He probably meant "half-diminished" which is commonly used in Jazz and notated with the circle/slash?

    G ø
     
  6. moley

    moley

    Sep 5, 2002
    Hampshire, UK
    I always think of the symbol for half-diminished as the greek letter Phi :)
     
  7. superphat

    superphat

    Sep 30, 2001
    woah,
    thanks for the feedback guys.
    yeah, i shoulda spelled out the exact changes, but i was tired last night! :D

    i was indeed thinking half-diminished. i guess i've seen that one the most as the II chord in a Root-Minor song lately.
    but all suggestions are welcome here!

    pacman
    thanks for that little exercise!
    i'm gonna go get my bass now, hopefully i'll hear some fresh things.

    :)
     
  8. superphat

    superphat

    Sep 30, 2001
    so, since it's been brought up,
    i've been lazy when it comes to diminished vs. half-diminished - i just play the half diminished (and sometimes add the natural 7) and hope it doesn't bring the house down :D
    obviously, some melodies work better with one or the other, but is there a general rule of which to use when?

    i know the scales are pretty different, but the chords sound the same to me. hence the confusion.

    any pointers?