Money down the drain...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by f'nar f'nar, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. Last year I was in my last year of high school. Exams where big and so I spent most of my time studying, which meant I couldn't get many shifts. I get paid minimal wage as it is so my income was very low. At the end of the year I had saved up enough to buy myself a Behringer head and quad box. I would have likes something more but I just don't have the money.
    I haven't gigged with the amp yet because I left all my bands throughout VCE and I'm just getting back into the swing. Sadly, I will probably never gig with this amp. I lent it out to a good mate tonight for his first gig, he's a guitarist playing bass. He's a good kid though and is fairly good at bass and knows his stuff.
    I got a call yesterday while I was at work from one of my mates at the gig. Apparently there was some manner of power surge and everything that was drawing power from one particular source, (my amp, one of the guitarists amps and a fold back wedge) was completely ruined. Quite a spectacle I was told.
    The thing is, that was all I could afford and i had to work hard on minimal wage for a year to earn enough to buy it. And in one night it was ruined. It was nobodies fault, but man, it really sucks.
  2. It was somebody's fault, and that somebody is not you. The venue should be held responsible. Good luck with all that.
  3. it worked when you lent it to him.he should either replace it or have it fixed. i would also check the fuse.
  4. twistdpair

    twistdpair Endorsing Artist: Enzyte Male Enhancement Products

    Aug 28, 2007
    If I was your buddy, I would pay for it.

    Not really the venue's fault. I have seen some crazy-a** voltage register on our power conditioners at many places.

    I would say that this was an expensive lesson - either for you or your buddy. ALWAYS use a power conditioner, or at the very least a good surge protector.
  5. john_g

    john_g Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    I agree with this wholeheartedly, but the chances of getting a new amp or repairs more than a few dollars are probably slim to none in this situation. I think alot of us were in your shoes at one time or another (lending out gear and it gets damaged). Its like getting blood from a stone.
  6. stoneboy26


    Jul 11, 2007
    Melbourne, Australia
    Endorsing Artist: Thump Music
    I agree with Matt...your friend should be held partially responsible!!

    The venue won't cover anything as they will probably blame the band. Especially if the gear was plugged into a powerboard (even if it was supplied by the venue), which is a common occurance as pubs in Melbourne.
  7. BillMason


    Mar 6, 2007
    Your buddy owes you an amp, end of story. If you were using it, you would be responsible for replacing it. If he borrowed it, he is responsible for what happens to it. They should have had a line tester, voltage regulator, surge protector, etc. If they made the decision to forego those precautions while using someone else's equipment, well, that was their decision, not yours. You were good enough to help out a pal, he needs to be good enough to make up for your loss of a rig. Small claims can settle this if gentlemen can't.
  8. Even it it's hitting up the guitar center used site and getting a 150 dollar Peavey or something (Which is better than the Behringer anyway) he needs to pony up.

    Edit: Nevermind, you are in Australia, you probably paid 800 bucks for that Behringer head :meh:
  9. This is why I would be very reluctant my gear to anyone, period.

    Secondly, when someone borrows your gear, they are accepting responsibility for it, they are basically saying 'I promise to get it back to you in the same condition as when I took it off your hands'.

    You've got a **** friend if he's trying to wash his hands of this. He owes you something back, whether partially or the whole rig. If I were him, I wouldn't just come back to you and say 'wasn't my fault, tough luck buddy'.
  10. Rune Bivrin

    Rune Bivrin Supporting Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Huddinge, Sweden
    Well, even though "it was nobody's fault", it still happened when your mate was using it, and not because of some issue with the amp.

    I'd be inclined to think you should have your amp fixed/replaced at the expense of your mate. Then maybe there's somebody he might seek regress from.

    Did it take the speaker box with it?

    From how you describe it, it sounds as if somebody connected the equipment between 2 phases in a 3-phase jack rather than between a phase and neutral. That would give it around 400 volts rather than the 240 you should have.
  11. Juniorkimbrough


    Mar 22, 2005
    Mississippi / Memphis, TN
    Endorsing Artist: Lakland Basses
    agreed, your buddy should do the right thing and replace your amp.
  12. john_g

    john_g Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    It is absolutely your friends responsibility, and Ive been in your exact shoes, but I know from experience that its not easy to get money from someone who doesnt have it. You can sue him sure, but that doesnt mean you are going to see any money anytime soon (he would most likely pay it back in small installments, if at all, and it would be a year before you had enough money for another amp anyway) Then again, he could have rich parents and then you tell him that their kid messed up your vintage 69 Ampeg and 8x10 that was also housing your original Picasso. =)

  13. Unfortunately I wasn't there to see exactly what happened. So how it happened will most likely forever remain a mystery to me.

    My buddy said to me that he will replace my amp, but I offered to help him pay for it. I easily have the money to pay for a new head now but I don't feel that I should, he however isn't in a position of financial stability and I can understand that. We'll come to an understanding I'm sure.

    Also, I was just on the phone to one of they guys who was there and he took some pictures on his phone of exactly how the power supply etc. was set up. That should help too.
  14. +100000000000000
  15. twistdpair

    twistdpair Endorsing Artist: Enzyte Male Enhancement Products

    Aug 28, 2007
    Similar thing happened to me when I was in high school. A friend borrowed a synth for a gig. It was stolen, and he said..."It wasn't my fault". He is still a friend (since 3rd grade - we are both now 37), but I still think about how douche-y that was sometimes.

    I hope your buddy does the right thing...even if that means promising to do SOMETHING.
  16. twistdpair

    twistdpair Endorsing Artist: Enzyte Male Enhancement Products

    Aug 28, 2007
    YAY! Two stand-up guys...
  17. My Rule #1: Never lend out my gear to musicians. EVER. I don't care who it is...unless they want to give me something to hold onto that is worth more than what they borrow in case something happens to it I can sell it with no problem and re-buy.
  18. thumpbass1


    Jul 4, 2004
    Your friend owes you an amp plain and simple. You weren't a rental company that he paid to rent an amp from, in which a rental company would most likely have insurance of some kind to help offset such hazards. When I borrow something from a friend I hold myself accountable to bring what I borrowed back in the same condition I borrowed it. If something were to happen I'd pay for repairs or replacement. It's the ethical thing to do.

    You sound like a nice person and keep that going in your life, however it's not up to you to help your buddy pay for what he should be owning up to; unless you choose to do it as an act of grace out of your own heart. I hope it all works out for you.
  19. RHFusillo

    RHFusillo Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Houston, TX
    I'd be feeding somebody to the kangaroos.
  20. You mean the dingoes.. as in 'the dingo ate my baby!!'.

    Kangaroos are herbivores.

    Perhaps even the Tasmanian Devils, although they are more carrion feeders.

    Watch out for the drop bears though.