Mooch is Gone!

I'm kinda shocked by that.

 

Fontes was good for not using Barry sanders, either...especially when his Run & Shoot/Silver Stretch/whatever offense had the lead & they really needed to work the clock!
I should know 'cause I had Sanders on my fantasy team throughout the '90s & it really P'd me off!

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Who thinks Mooch will end up at Green Bay next year? Farve said he won't come back to a different coaching system, but Mooch was Farve's first QB coach.
I really thought they should've gave Gary Moeller (sp) a chance. The players really responded to him when Bobby Ross went down.

 

So what do you think? The next guy gonna stick with the west coast offense?

 

That's an interesting concept. Favre and Mooch are buddies. Personally, I think it'd be a mistake. The injuries, the turnover disease, the missed tackles...those aren't Sherman's fault. The play calling has been shoddy to say the least, but that's one cohesive lockerroom from what I understand, despite the 2-9 record. Not one player has even implied coaching is at fault. I think SHerman deserves another year. Mooch as Offensive coordinator or some euch thing? Sure!

 

They shouldn't go with a West Coast offense. The personnel they have just doesn't fit the system. At least Harrington doesn't. It's amazing how many offensive weapons they have, but they don't use them effectively.

Lions fans speak up. How many times can you stand to watch a draw play to Bryson on 3rd and long? It worked one time, yet they use it all the time.

Kevin Jones is a talented back, a bruiser with some speed, yet they never utilize him. The kid can go out an kill people, and they have a talented FB in Sledge, yet they can't get the ground game going. The line has some issues, but even teams with turnstyle lines like the Rams get some yards on the ground.

The WCO needs a quick QB who can make quick reads, make a fast drop and throw short to intermediate passes for long gains. Unfortunately, that ain't Joey. He's better suited for a vertical game as a pocket passer, and handing the ball off the a decent runner. The WCO also requires a versatile and quick RB who can catch the ball, and receivers who can make reads at the line of scrimmage, run precise routes, and make yards after the catch. KJ can fit the RB mold, but he's shown alot more strength this season than I gave him credit for. I'd like to see what he could do if he develops his ability to run between the tackles. The WRs might be able to work a WCO, but they are so young and inexperienced that it doesn't work well for them. I wouldn't call these guys the smartest bunch of players either. They have three guys who are best at running a deep route and winning the fight to make the grab, i.e. Herman Moore. Out of Roy, Mike, and Charles only Charles is really a YAC type of guy in the NFL. Unfortunately these guys haven't flourished under the WCO. A guy like Kerry Collins or Randall Cunningham that like to huck the ball up and let the receiver make the play would love these guys, but that's not Mooch's system.

A simpler and conservative offense would benefit this team. If Jauron takes over as head coach, I think he'd tend towards that. They also need to fire Tollner. Total idiot. A new coach and new system is what's needed to breathe new life into a young team. The D is definitely improved, and KJ would make a decent ball control RB if he can prove his durability. Imagine if RW,MW,Pollard, and Sledge were blocking downfield. They need to give Harrington some time to develop and gain confidence in his receivers. In order to do that they need to have a system that he can get comfortable in.

Morniweg showed that the WCO wasn't working under him. Mooch showed that the WCO just isn't working in the Motor City.

 

Possible, but unlikely. From what I have read, Mooch is a "players coach". MUCH too easy on the players, and doesn't hold them accountable for their mistakes. That is the EXACT reason Ray Rhodes got run out of Green Bay after one year. It wasn't because he went 8-8 and it certainly wasn't because of his race like the race baiters like J Jackson implied, it was because he lost COMPLETE control of the team, and wasn't respected by the players. I'd LOVE to see Mooch in Green Bay as the offensive coordinator, but not as head coach.

Oh..and as far as blaming Mooch for the Lions suckage, I'd say that ball is squarely in Matt Millen's court. He drafted THE SAME GUY (Rogers, Williams, Williams) three years in a row, because of his love hate obsession with Harrington.

 

Yeah. This team isn't going anywhere fast with Millen around.

 

I kinda liked Millen, until I found out he fired Mooch before he knew if Juaron would take over. Right now, Jauron is saying no unless they give him a long term deal. I think if Jauron took the interim coach, he'd never go back to the D coach. I think I prefer him there.

 

Similar to Denny Green, Mike Tice, etc. player's coaches don't seem to do well in managing their team. They can only get them so far, and when the going get's tough the teams lack discipline.

Millen has hurt the Lions in terms of drafts, but considering the failures in the front office prior to Millen the last few aren't as bad. At least these guys weren't busts like Andre Ware, Aaron Gibson, or Bryant Westbrook. Even though Millen doesn't seem prudent with his first rounders, he's still made some solid picks with Lehman, S. Rogers, Cody, Jones, Bailey, and Backus. Picking up Bly in free agency was a good move, and adding Kenoy Kennedy further improves the D, as can be seen when you compare their stats from last season.

Between Mooch and Morniwheg, some really talented players have been wasted.

 

Interestingly enough, Jauron is also a player's coach. Fans in Chicago were worked up because they thought he was soft. He didn't use blocking sleds, required less time in the film room, etc.

 

Another factor is that Jauron and Mooch are extrememly tight, dating back to their Green Bay days. Jauron may not want to replace one of his best buddies.

 

For the WCO to be productive, you have to have the right type of players, just as Jive said. Think the 80s Niners, or the mid/late 90's Packers. THOSE are the type of players you need for a WCO.

 

Don't forget the draw play to Bryson. 3rd and 14, draw play to Bryson for 3 yards! My bud who is a Kitties fan was actually pissed off the one time when Bryson ran the draw play for a long TD because it meant that Mooch would never abandon that play. The Bryson draw play started to be a joke at the bar. It was funny because when it was a 3rd and long, we'd both call a draw play and seconds later we'd see it's glory on the TV screen.

Have you forgotten Tom Moore (Colts OC) so quickly?

 

As Packers fans, we actually have FOUR choices on third and long.
It is ALWAYS one of the four though. My buddy and I who watch every game usually call at least 75 percent of them right.

Screen pass...usually gains 1 to 3 yards
Shovel pass....usually a 2 yard loss
About a 6-7 yard quick slant...incomplete, or 6-7 yards total if caught
Or....EVERYONE's favorite....the draw for a 3 yard gain.

 

Its because I the OC thinks "Hey if we do a shovel pass and lose 2 yards, the other team will be shell shocked." Yea, shell shocked at the dumbass play you just ran.

Watching games over the last couple of weeks, it seems like a lot of teams on third and long try and do either a draw, toss or throw a screen/quick hitch/quick out and then be surprised that they didn't get a first down. Whats up with that?