Moog 101 problems

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by biggs1249, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. So in a moment of weakness I bought a moogerfooger lowpass filter. I didn't really need one, or have a use for one but.... Anyway now its on my board and I'm having trouble getting sounds out of it. I think part of the problem is my signal chain. I'll have to experiment with different things, but before I try things willynilly, how do you, other moogerfooger owners, use it? where in your chain is it? any tips?

    the specific problems I'm having are:

    I can't seem to get the envelope to affect the sweep of the filter enough. Even at 10 its lacking. The "solution" to that is to turn up the drive, but I have everything in a true bypass loop, so when I go back to my clean tone there is a significant volume drop, (especially with my moog ring mod driving too).

    If I have fuzz or synthy pedals before it, the envelope picks up too much of the extraneous noise. I wish this pedal had a sensitivity knob.

    besides this pedal, too much gain is a big problem on my board. what do you do to keep your clean volume and your effected volume balanced?
  2. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Keeping unity gain is genuinely a PITA in many cases. Enough so that many people will just say "it's the nature of the beast, live with it" ...even though it does not have to be that way.

    I think an ideal chain would have a clean and controllable gain stage in front of any pedals that need hotter input, and a clean and controllable passive volume knob after any pedals that have higher-than-unity output. So one example would be a clean boost pedal near the beginning and a volume pedal near the end. The tidier approach is to choose useful pedals which already incorporate these functions. So e.g. a compressor or overdrive with some extra gain near the beginning, and an EQ or amp modeler with output level controls near the end.

    In the case of the sensitivity of the Moog, try putting a clean boost between your bass and the Moog, see if that helps.
  3. nad

    nad 60 Cycle Humdinger

    Sep 22, 2005
    I'll never understand why that pedal doesn't have separate sensitivity and volume controls. If it did, I would have kept mine. Two things I did to keep it from driving me insane were 1) putting it in an effects loop, and 2) placing it at the end of my signal chain, with the input volume on my amp turned down to compensate for the massive volume it blasts with proper Drive settings.
  4. almix12


    Apr 3, 2008
    i put it quite late in my signal chain: after my BSW, BMS but before my bass murf. That way I can use the expression pedal plugged into the cutoff knob to filter out the trebbly distortion the other pedals produce in a semi artistic way
  5. Fishyfan


    Jul 8, 2009
    On the subject of Unity Gain, I tend to set things for unity gain or close to it when not in a rehearsal environ. when I get to rehearsing with a pedal, I will change things like gain and make them work in a band situation.

    When stacking pedals, It is pretty hard to make them behave at unity gain.
  6. I gave up long ago trying to fiddle with pedals to try to achieve the sound I want at unity gain. My solution now is to just stick a limiter (Boss LMB-3 currently) at the end of my chain, which cuts the volume back down to wherever I want it.
  7. NoHomework81


    Jul 27, 2007
    Atlanta, GA

    Putting a buffer (Catalinbread Serrano Picoso is a good one;)) at the front of my chain eliminated a lot of headaches I was having trying to balance out my board (specifically around the MF101.) It's also extremely handy for when you change basses i.e. going from active to passive, you just turn up the buffer volume and now you've got the same signal level going into the rest of your gear. Smaller and more flexible than an AB box.

    I also agree about the volume pedal; unfortunately mine gets used as an expensive mute button most of the time, but it's great to be able to back off when you turn on a particularly hot overdrive or whatever (the GeminiDrive comes to mind: that pedal is either OFF or EXTREMELY LOUD).
  8. Funkturnal


    Nov 17, 2009
    Tokyo, Japan
    I'm bringing this thread back up, hoping my question is relevant enough.

    Basically, in doing some research on trying to achieve an authentic jungle sound, the Moog lowpass filter kept coming up. So I went on a little scavenger hunt to find this pedal. I managed to find it in a store, and told the guys working there that I wanted to try it out on a bass. (They kind of gave me a strange look, so I told them that I wanted to combine it with an octave pedal to get a jungle sound.)

    Anyway, the guy at the store plugs a bass in and plugs the output into an amp. All of a sudden, there was a huge sound and I could see the speaker cone just about burst! The guy started twiddling the knobs trying to find a "flat" setting, but it just sounded like the signal from the instrument was really weak. So, more twiddling with the knobs, and again, a huge bang which could probably damage the speakers.

    In the end, the guy was like, "I think this thing is broken..." I haven't had any experience with the pedal since, but from anyone's experience, was something wrong with the pedal, or is this "normal behavior" of the pedal combined with sales staff who didn't know the product? I got the impression that you really have to know what you're doing with this pedal or you might end up damaging your amp.

    Sorry for the total newbie question, but I'm hoping I can get over this experience and resume my quest for the jungle tone! ;)
  9. If the guy was just 'fiddling' the knobs and turned the 'resonance' up to 8.5+, then the filter will 'self-oscillate', ie produce a loud static tone that will change with movement of the "frequency" knob. This can be dangerous if you have your amp turned up loudly and get it to self-oscillate, as it oscillates much louder than Unity so you need to plan for that if you want to use it as an oscillator.

    If you're going for a thick sub-bass tone, plug into the Octave and set the octave to 1 octave down and no dry signal, then from the Octave into the Lowpass filter with the 'Envelope' at 0, 'Mix' at 10, Resonance at Noon for starters (then adjust to taste), and the "Frequency between 9 and 12, and adjust from there. Anytime you turn the Resonance up to 8.5 or higher, it will self oscillate loudly-- this can be useful and fun(ie making noise), but be ready for it.

    For regular envelope filter tones, put the 'Envelope' to 10, Resonance around 8 or so, and start the Frequency around 9-10ish, and again adjust to taste.
  10. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Yes, the guy could certainly have set it with a high resonance, which can blow speakers if you're not careful.
  11. Funkturnal


    Nov 17, 2009
    Tokyo, Japan
    Thanks guys! That's definitely good to know. The pedal should come with a warning sign. ;) Then again, I guess these pedals weren't designed especially for bass, so they won't be as fool-proof as an octave pedal. But lesson learned - be careful with the resonance. :)
  12. dannybuoy


    Aug 3, 2005
    If you're having Moog problems I feel bad for you son, I got 101 problems but a Moog ain't one.
  13. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
  14. Haha awesome :smug:
  15. Actually there is a large warning in the manual about this IIRC :D