Moses Graphite Neck Help

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by almorgan76, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. almorgan76

    almorgan76 Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2012
    I recently got a bass off a buddy of mine to do a little setup work on it and i very quickly discovered the graphite neck has a significant warp in the headstock. It is crazy bent and not just a little. More like a potato chip. I thought these necks were supposed to be indestructible?

    Anyway, i am reading and i see where some types of graphite necks might move/warp under excessive heat. I suspect this might have been left in a car in the summer heat for a while but it doesn't quite add up. Either way, i strapped it to a bench to see if it will release any of the bend but I am wondering if it will require heat as well. I have never messed with graphite parts so looking for advice. Anyone have a similar experience?

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  2. GMC

    GMC Supporting Member

    Jan 1, 2006
    Wiltshire, UK
    Looks like it's been left in a car for a few days being hit by solar heat. Graphite is really stable but sun light under glass, ie left in a car on a hot day for a few days....can cause the material to soften. Add the tension from the strings and that's probably what's happened there.
  3. charlie monroe

    charlie monroe Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2011
    Buffalo, NY
    Wow. The G is floating above the nut slot.

    Clamp and heat is the right idea.
  4. Eddie LeBlanc

    Eddie LeBlanc

    Oct 26, 2014
    Beaumont, Texas
    Don't create no problem, won't be no problem.
    I'd send an email to the Moses Graphite people if they are still in business. Perhaps they can help.

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  5. almorgan76

    almorgan76 Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2012

    I suspect this as well. It wasn’t in direct sunlight and only an afternoon but the sun is intense right now. It would explain it. I am tempted to strap it to a 2x4 and set it in the car window for a day or two to see if it moves back. I am just concerned it might have lost its ability to resist string tension if it moves back.
  6. almorgan76

    almorgan76 Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2012
    thanks for the advice! I did send an email to their orders email asking for technical assistance along with some photos. We shall see if anyone is still monitoring. It appears they no longer make these necks.
  7. Zooberwerx

    Zooberwerx Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Is Jerry Dorsch still in business?

    Contact Information
    Graphite Guitar Systems
    13043 195th Ave SW
    Oakville, WA 98568
    Contact: Gerald Dorsch
    Title: Owner
    Phone: (360) 273-7744
  8. Jerry will and can do a wonderful job.
  9. almorgan76

    almorgan76 Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2012
    I did hear back from Moses Graphite.

    "I'd say that you first need to heat the headstock only, notably not the neck shaft. Do so with it clamped between two flat plates. Tighten the clamps as the heat allows the peghead to conform to those flat surfaces. Cool the headstock prior to releasing the clamps. Then on the back side, rout a couple of channels through the peghead. These will ideally be one between the tuner holes and the adjoining straight headstock edge and one from circa the neck shaft side of the 'D' tuner hole down the center of the peghead to as close to the transition to the neck shaft as possible. Glue (epoxy) carbon fiber rods in each of those holes. Sand flush and apply a surface finish. Although we no longer are in the neck business, we have done and can still do this work for $125 plus shipping."

    I will be attempting to rework the headstock with heat however, i do not plan to add carbon fiber rods to the headstock so we shall see if it is able to resist the tension of strings once it is again strait. I will keep this thread updated with my progress.
  10. dwizum


    Dec 21, 2018
    Great that they responded!

    Be careful that you're applying the heat evenly and giving it time to soak into the part. Using too strong of a heat source and trying to heat too quickly will just bake the outside. And stop adding heat as soon as you feel it's warm enough to move. The window between "soft enough to be pliable" and "hot enough to do damage" is pretty narrow.
  11. Eddie LeBlanc

    Eddie LeBlanc

    Oct 26, 2014
    Beaumont, Texas
    Don't create no problem, won't be no problem.
    At $125 for them to do it, and be done professionally by the manufacturer, seems like a great deal to me, to have it repaired correctly, and nothing going wrong. After all, I thought you were wanting a playable bass.

    Just saying, if they screw it up, they are liable. If you screw it up, it is a throw away item.

    Personally, I'd think allowing them to do it is a much better option.

    And if you think about it, they have done it before, likely have jigs set up to do it properly, and the right tools.

    Unless you are wanting to learn a new skill, I'd say ship it to them.
  12. Zooberwerx

    Zooberwerx Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Yeah, they gave a pretty specific set of directions almost as if they've done this before. I'd spend the $$ and be done with it.

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  13. vid1900


    Dec 12, 2019
    Best $125 you will ever spend.....
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  14. arbiterusa


    Sep 24, 2015
    Nope. I've had the strap wing on a Steinberger shatter. I took a lot more care with my bass after that happened. And both Moses and Steinberger use what they call "low-temperature curing resin" in the production process; I have heard of several instances of Steinbergers warping in hot cars. Sometimes to the point of not being repairable. I'm sure the Moses necks are prone to the same issue.

    Let me just say this, because I've worked with carbon fiber: the $125 that Moses is proposing is an outright steal. Carbon fiber is not wood and you flat-out don't want to be working with it. It's toxic and the dust will get into your skin and not come out for months. Send the neck to them and thank them a lot. They're out of that business and are doing you a special favor.
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  15. I appreciate the DIY desire and understand and support you if you want to go that route but if Moses is going to straighten the headstock and add the CF rods for $125.00, that’s not a bad price, and I’m a notorious cheapskate!
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  16. almorgan76

    almorgan76 Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2012
    It might be a little early to celebrate but i would say i have had success working with this neck on my own. I used a heat gun to carefully add heat to just the headstock. Once heated i clamped it down to a flat surface while it cooled. Attached are the photos. After the neck was reassembled and has sat under tension for 24 hours the neck still seems to be holding its new shape.

    In hindsight i needed to follow instruction and find some "plates" to use a little more closely. The clamps left some impressions in the surface finish. It is amazing to me just how soft this material gets at temperature. At no point in time was the surface temp beyond touchable but yet it took impression from the clamps. Crazy material. I can definitely see it moving under heat inside a car.

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