Hi all, So, some of you may remember my thread about my GTI here . Now I've decided to have the transmission fixed and to then sell the car privately and replace it with something else. I was thinking about Volvos, but am open to anything that gets good mileage and is reliable. No hybrids please...not that they are bad, but the cost savings is offset by initial cost. Another factor is this: I don't want anything that is at higher risk for theft. So, anyone have suggestions on vehicles from the past five years that fit these requirements? Thanks!
Honda Civics have a very high theft rate, but if you have the plain-Jane DX with no options or decked out modifications, you should be pretty safe. They are probably one of THE best cars out there. But then you'll know that if you research the used prices on them. A Civic will last forever if you take care of it as you should with any car.
I drive a pretty much bare bones Toyota Corolla, a 2004. I've heard that they can get ripped off, as much as I guess any other car depending on where you park at night. There's a lot of people who drive those Corollas, so they blend in nicely. MPG is around 35 or so, and the reliability is to hell and back IME. All you really need is the oil change every 3000 miles and services every 10,000 miles. I haven't had a problem yet, although I only have about 25K on the car.....*knock on wood* AuG
There have been so many reliable vehicles made since 2000, it would really be a matter of taste. What you should be concerned about in a used vehicle is condition, previous owners, mileage, etc.
I've got a 2001 Mazda Tribute. It's great. No problems so far, just regular service, brakes etc. Not sure of the mileage (kilometerage?), but it's perfect for my needs. Decent space in the back when needed too.
well use common car sense a volvo or good japanese ca will keep working a citroen will break down(well not really, but still) even though you probably can't get citroens over the pond, they sure look nice
I believe recent evidence seems to indicate that the Euro cars, including Volvos, have plummetted in reliability. I'd go Toyota or Honda if you're looking for pure reliability. Look up the JD Powers ratings. Here is a list of Consumer Reports "Good Bets" in used cars that have shown better than average reliability: Acura Integra Acura MDX Acura RL Acura RSX Acura TL Buick Regal Chevrolet/Geo Prizm Chrysler PT Cruiser Ford Crown Victoria Ford Escort, ZX2 Honda Accord Honda Civic Honda CR-V Honda Odyssey Honda Prelude Honda S2000 Infiniti G20 Infiniti I30, I35 Infiniti Q45 Infiniti QX4 Lexus ES300, ES330 Lexus GS300/ GS400, GS430 Lexus IS300 Lexus LS400, LS430 Lexus RX300, RX330 Lincoln Town Car Mazda 626 Mazda Millenia Mazda MX-5 Miata Mazda Protegé Mercury Grand Marquis Mercury Tracer Mitsubishi Galant Nissan Altima Nissan Maxima Nissan Pathfinder Subaru Forester Subaru Impreza Subaru Legacy Subaru Outback Toyota 4Runner Toyota Avalon Toyota Camry Toyota Camry Solara Toyota Celica Toyota Corolla Toyota Echo Toyota Highlander Toyota Land Cruiser Toyota Prius Toyota RAV4 Toyota Sequoia Toyota Sienna Toyota Tundra Here are their "Bad Bets" that have shown worse-than-average reliability from 1997 to 2004: Audi A6 BMW 7 Series Chevrolet Astro Chevrolet Blazer Chevrolet Express1500 Chevrolet S-10 (4WD) Chevrolet TrailBlazer Chrysler Town & Country (AWD) Dodge Dakota (4WD) Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD) Ford Windstar GMC Envoy GMC Jimmy GMC Safari GMC Savana 1500 GMC Sonoma (4WD) Jaguar S-Type Jaguar X-Type Jeep Grand Cherokee Land Rover Discovery Lincoln Navigator Mercedes-Benz C-Class (V6) Mercedes-Benz CLK Mercedes-Benz M-Class Mercedes-Benz S-Class Oldsmobile Bravada Oldsmobile Cutlass Plymouth Neon Pontiac Aztek Saturn Vue Volkswagen Golf Volkswagen Jetta Volkswagen New Beetle Volvo S80 brad cook
Thanks guys! I'll be cross-referrencing these with the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety reports, and go from there...
My main complaint with Volvo and Saab is that with the weak US Dollar exchange rate, parts have gotten very expensive. So brakes and stuff have hurt. Reliability has been ok, but I have 156K miles on my 98 V70, so stuff is starting to wear out. Next time around it will be a Toyota or Honda, the reliability numbers are very good. How refreshing! Build a reliable car with good value for a reasonable cost. That is truly a novel concept, eh?
Consumer Reports lists the Lexus RX300 as a "Good Bet". Well, I have had MANY problems with my '00 and can direct any of you to numerous websites stating the same. In the same breath I can talk about MANY problems I had with my '95 ES300 as well. The 2 BIGGIES that top the list are rear main seal leaks (VERY expensive fix, and quite common), and transmission problems (even MORE expensive). I had both. I have no idea about the other cars listed, just thought I'd share my $.02. Actually, the Acura TL and CL series also had alot of transmission problems in that era. Honda acknowledged the problem and extended the transmission warranty to 100k miles. Toyota (who had MORE issues that Honda) still refuses to admit there is a transmission problem. Just my .02 but I'll NEVER buy another Lexus/Toyota product. Ever.
Was that for Automatic trannies only? Or standard shift as well? Just curious. I am due pretty soon too for a car.
Toyota and Honda have had several issues that they have not dealt with well: Toyota had issues with the Camry engine and Oil sludge build up. Never really acknolwedged the problem AFAIK. Honda had / is having problems with the CR-V catching fire after the first oil change (brand new cars). They also have been a little dodgy about it, blaming the service people. As far as ratings go, they can be quite useful, just don't rely on them exclusively with out checking other resources. For example, almost every model has some type of internet forum for people who just 'love their cars'. Find the group for the model you are interested in. Read there for a few days. I did that when I wanted a Ford Escape. I actually joined a forum of people who "LOVED" Escapes, but after hanging there a bit, realized I didn't have a good feeling about the Escape based on what I was reading. Also, be careful of "Ego" brands like Lexus and Acura. Although they can be great cars, remember that anyone who spent Ego money to buy an Acura for $8000 more than an Accord is unlikely to tell you it wasn't worth it. Too much emotion in that purchase.
As far as I know it's just the autos. Very few of them shipped with a stick. There's a great Lexus forum I used to be a part of that had links to a whole bunch of information and stats on the ongoing problems. I could track it down if you'd like.
I forgot all about the sludge issue, probably 'cause that's one problem I escaped without. You are right, they never *truly* acknowledged that as a problem either.
Ego cars? That's harsh dude! BUT, with that being said, I'll tell you straight up it wasn't worth it! Outside of the "ooh factor" Lexus' SUCK, IMO.
Yes, but JD Powers surveys during the first year of ownership. That's when it's hard to get an objective opinion about the more luxe (read: expensive) makes. Sorry to be harsh, not the intent. I don't know what else to call it. There are Accords and Camry's that can be fitted out as well as any Acura or Lexus, but people pay extra for the that little sumthin-sumthin....
Some of them are "ego" cars but some of them are unique and have no match under the lesser badge. One good example is the Infiniti FX45. Yeah, there's the Nissan Murano, which is sorta similar but has a different body style and you cannot get a Murano with a 320hp V-8 that will do 0-60 in 6.5. On the other hand you've got the BIG Infiniti SUV which looks EXACTLY like the Nissan Armada. I think that's truly what you mean by "ego-car." There is at least one similar comparison with Lexus/Toyota in the RX300 series. I don't think there is truly a comparable Toyota model to that is there? brad cook
How about a Mercedes-Benz SL 65 with the AMG upgrades? There's one for a slim $191,000 at a dealer right around the corner...do you think that could be considered "ego" money? Getting on the driver forums is a great idea. I've got about a month to do this in, so I'll see what I come up with.