Music Man - taming the highs with a capacitor?

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by BaileyMan, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. BaileyMan

    BaileyMan

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Francisco
    I know there is at last one extensive thread on the MM tone, and probably numerous others. I've waded through some but still have questions.

    In short, I'm wondering how to tame the highs. I've got a USA SUB Sterling Fretless. It's got an active 3-band EQ with alnico pickup in parallel. If I'm correct, the treble knob affects frequencies up to about 12k Hz. I'd like to bring that frequency down.

    I've read of folks adding a capacitor somewhere in the signal chain, but I'm not sure where to add it and I can't find the thread again (may not have been a TB thread).

    Can anyone help me out with info on adding a capacitor to lower the treble frequency? Thoughts on capacitor values? Where do I add it in the signal path?
     
  2. fermata

    fermata Guest

    Nov 10, 2015
    I don't have an answer for how to modify the preamp's treble frequency, but there's a passive wiring trick that will lower the resonant frequency of the pickup, which could help mellow out the overall sound.

    Simply wire a capacitor between the pickup hot wire and ground before the pickup reaches the preamp. (If you place this loading capacitor after any of the active components, it won't work.) Try .001uF for starters; to lower the resonant frequency further, go up to around .002uF.
     
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  3. MPU

    MPU

    Sep 21, 2004
    Valkeala Finland
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  4. BaileyMan

    BaileyMan

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Francisco
    Thanks! Makes sense that the capacitor will drain the higher frequencies off to ground. I'm wondering, is there any reason I couldn't do that before the signal reaches the treble pot?

    Thanks for that link! I imagine there's a bunch of useful info in there...
     
  5. fermata

    fermata Guest

    Nov 10, 2015
    With tiny caps like that, it's not about bleeding treble to ground in the sense of a traditional treble-cut cap; it's about loading the pickup to shift the frequency pickup's natural resonant peak. (Pickups form an LCR circuit; adding a bit of capacitance changes the circuit and therefore the sound.)

    Oftentimes, when people go shopping for aftermarket pickups, what they're sometimes buying---without knowing it--is a lower resonant peak. So "Brand X sounds warmer, has better mids, etc.," can be a reaction to a different resonant peak.

    And as the linked post above mentions, the resonant peak can be smoothed or flattened with resistor, either on its own or in series with the cap. (A small resistor, around 6 or 8K Ohms will lower the peak without flattening it entirely.)

    As to where to put it, if the treble pot is what the pickup hot wire reaches first, then yes, that's a good spot, between the hot input lug on the pot and ground.
     
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  6. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth Inactive

    Why not just rewire the pickup in Series?
     
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  7. BaileyMan

    BaileyMan

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Francisco
    I haven't looked closely under the hood, but from what I understand it's wired internally to be parallel and not so easy to just rewire to series. If it's doable, I'd be totally down!
     
  8. BaileyMan

    BaileyMan

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Francisco
    Well, it only took me two days to decide not to mess around with the stock pickup and preamp. I sold a couple pieces of gear and ordered a Bartolini pickup and pre.

    Historically I've liked Barts, so we'll see how it works out...