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My band broke up!

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by Fishheadjoe, Mar 30, 2009.


  1. Well, the first band I have been in, in 25 years, officially broke up today! I must admitt, I am somewhat relieved. Here's why;
    -the singer insists that we play Kiss songs! He also insists that he will perfom live, with the lyrics to all the songs on a music stand in front of him!
    -the drummer didn't show up for 5 weeks, however he too insisted that he would learn the songs and be prepared to rehearse, when time allowed. Well, he didn't! Actually, not only did he not learn the songs, he didn't even learn their basic structure, much less the correct parts! I'm not one of those blessed people who can learn a song just listening to it, I have to work to learn it. I came prepared, I knew my parts, heck, I even helped others with their parts!
    -we couldn't agree on what songs we were going to cover (outside of Kiss songs!LOL) Now, I may be opinionated, but if the songs is dripping of Cheezwiz, I'm not going to be inclined to learn it and play it. But I did and they showed up not knowing their parts!

    Am I being un-reasonable expecting each member of the band to pull their own weight?
    PS... I named the band "Le Grande Fromage" for a reason...but I have been recruited to play bass in a BLues band! I gots alot of learnin to do!
    Fishheadjoe
     
  2. MEKer

    MEKer Supporting member

    May 30, 2006
    Does not sound like you were in a band. That's not what a "band" does. Don't waste time with'em-----go find a real band and have some fun!
     
  3. I agree whole heartedly! The last little while was not good, tense and downright unpleasant. I'm hoping that the Blues Band will turn out to be a much better situation.
    Fishheadjoe
     
  4. Rob Lewis

    Rob Lewis

    Feb 23, 2006
    London
    I played with a singer who couldn't do it without the lyrics in front of him on a stand. I put up with this (for some bizarre reason) for two years. I would have thought that if you repeatedly sing something (or say it, for that matter) it would sink in to the memory. Not with this bloke, it didn't. Thank Christ I am out of it.
     
  5. H2ODog

    H2ODog

    Sep 30, 2003
    Roseville, CA
    I feel your pain, I'm in a similar situation. We are all working guys with family and have limited time so we only learn a few songs a week, well all but the singer/guitar. It's frustrating to show up for a practice and he did no work that week and is not prepared so we can't move on. I'm starting to look for other opportunities myself.:meh:
     
  6. What's the problem? Sounds like a pretty normal average band...

    Just joking. :)

    Sort of...
     
  7. Stumbo

    Stumbo Wherever you go, there you are. Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 11, 2008
    the Cali Intergalctic Mind Space
    Song Surgeon slow downer software- full 4 hour demo
    Have you been in a blues band before?
     
  8. Alaska Bass

    Alaska Bass

    Dec 31, 2006
    Seattle, WA
    At least you've got something to put you in the right frame of mind for blues... just think about if you were still in the old band! Enjoy yourself, you deserve better than what you were dealing with.
     
  9. sevenyearsdown

    sevenyearsdown Supporting Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    Sanborn, NY
    I was in a band once where the drummer didn't show up for 6 weeks to rehearse, and I had to argue with the singer and guitar player (GF-BF combo) to fire the dude (who was thier hipster buddy).

    I just quit instead and found a new band 5 minutes later. So I guess what I saying is, you'll find a new band 5 minutes later.
     
  10. No, never been in a blues band before, my entire life I have been playing progressive rock... well, until this 80's cover band that just ended.
    I know I have quite a learning curve in front of me and I am prepared to do the work. My expectation is that the other players, who are much more mature than the last band, will be prepared and attack this from a "professional perspective".
    Yes, this will be a hobby band so to speak, I won't be counting on this to pay my bills, but again, I feel that if the band decides to play a song, any song, than the whole band should learn it on their own time, and be prepared to play it. Not perfectly, well that would be nice, but well enough for everyone to be able to walk away knowing what they have to work on for the next rehearsal.
    That word rehearsal became a real problem for me with the last band. I told them rehearsal means as a unit, you rehearse the song, not learn it! Simply put, they did not respect each othere's time.
    Fishheadjoe

    PS... anyone ever use a Roscoe for blues?:bassist:

    Fishheadjoe
     
  11. Stickk

    Stickk

    Sep 2, 2008
    Jambi
    Bummer.
     
  12. davec

    davec Supporting Member Commercial User

    May 4, 2006
    bartlett illinois
    Owner; Cody Electric Basses
    sounds like you made the right choice.

    As far as the lyric book, not ideal, but David Bowie and Sting do the same thing ?
     
  13. I was thinking it..he said it!!!
     
  14. Blues to me was always easy to grow with. Just study alot of walking lines at first then just keep in the pocket with the drummer. Blues can be alot of fun easy to play and all about short sweet accents in bass to me.
     
  15. I have a few tips if you're going from a prog rock style to blues:

    1.) You will want to play a lot of notes...don't. In this style of music, you are there to support the singer and the soloists.

    2.) You will want to play too loud...don't.

    3.) Work with a metronome and learn to play on the back end of the beat. This is more difficult than it seems it should be but it is the key to good being a successful blues bassist. It defines the pocket.

    4.) The kick drum is your friend.

    5.) The blues is easy to play poorly but difficult to play well. Listen to all the Willie Dixon, Tommy Shannon and Larry Taylor material you can get your hands on. Blues music is all about subtlety.

    Have fun with it. Locking onto a fat groove with a good drummer is one of life's greatest joys for a bass player. Good luck!
     
  16. Stumbo

    Stumbo Wherever you go, there you are. Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 11, 2008
    the Cali Intergalctic Mind Space
    Song Surgeon slow downer software- full 4 hour demo
    Here are some links that may help you out:
    http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/appendix/blues/Bluesprogression.html progressions explained w/ audio samples
    http://www.bassblues.com Basic Blues Bass lesson/tracks by NickonBass
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506931 Slow blues
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=517439 First blues "open mic." jam 1 of 3
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469825 2 of 3
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=517730 3 of 3
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=523050 Blues gig coming up
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125536 Target Approach to creating bass lines

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=522409 Influential blues musicians (mostly) pre-1959
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues History

    http://www.amazon.com/Blues-Bass-Jon-Liebman/dp/0793586682 "Blues Bass" by TB member Jonster (John Liebman)
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502819 Blues books
    http://www.amazon.com/Razor-Sharp-Blues-Guitar-Turnarounds-Music/dp/B000PHU7J2 "101 Razor-Sharp Blues Turnarounds by Larry McCabe
    http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Rhythm-Guitar-Guide-Blues/dp/1574241389/ref=pd_sim_b_1 "Complete Rhythm Guitar Guide for Blues Bands" by Larry McCabe

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=491679 Playing behind/ahead of the beat
    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500896 "Feel"

    I also suggest that you might want to start listening to blues tunes as much as possible.

    Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
     
  17. oldrocker

    oldrocker

    Feb 13, 2005
    Long Island, NY
    Isn't that what they called Rusty Staub when he played for expos back in the '70s?
     
  18. Thanks for the kind words folks! And a special thanks to Stumbo for all the links... I'll take a look tonight and begin the process.
    Band is expected to begin meeting and discussing tunes in early May, I want to get ahead of the game and start now, those links are a fantastic place to start.
    Fishheadjoe
     
  19. Stumbo

    Stumbo Wherever you go, there you are. Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 11, 2008
    the Cali Intergalctic Mind Space
    Song Surgeon slow downer software- full 4 hour demo
    Good luck and let us know how it's going.
     
  20. BillyRay

    BillyRay Supporting Member

    Jan 20, 2008
    Quebec
    Also, be aware of the different styles of blues. And ask for keys. Not many blues band that I know of don't change some of the keys of "standards" for whatever reason (harp player, easier vocals, horns, etc.).

    It's true that blues is very easy to play poorly (wanky, out of time). But the solution to this is easy. Play less notes and concentrate on rythmn.

    You'll do fine, especially if you are like me (only guy in the band who practiced the song before rehearsal).
     

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