Any body else ever get sick of the attitudes of bands in your area, my band had a long discussion at practise today about where we were going in this was a big topic. We've spent the last 4 years getting where we are now and we are in a pretty good position, but we feel that the best way to advance in the music scene is to start being assholes. I know that probably sounds bad, but we have been taking advantage of by many bands, we thought of six bands of the top of our heads that wouldn't have survived to their first show if not for us, and they just rode on our backs until they could do they're own thing. I know this is how the music business works, but of all the bands we have helped, which is at least several dozen, maybe one or two have reciprocated. It seems that everyone knows that we are the band with the hookups ( my singer is a booking agent for one of the bigger live band venues in the area, and my drummer does sound) so everyone just expects us to help they're band at no gains to us. Theres really been two incidents that have really pissed us off, one was a band that we helped get started, set them up with shows for a year and a half straight and then one day they backed out on a show because they didn't wanna be the opener. I guess they had been pulling that alot, and are starting to lose alot of contacts in the area though. The second incident was with a band who we set up with a show. We let them know that we were doing a HUGE show the night before, so we probably wouldn't draw a huge crowd the next day, so it was up to the other bands to draw a crowd. The night before we played a show where several hundred people attende to specifically see us and one other band, then left, so we don't have a problem drawing a crowd normally. But this night the crowd was quite small and no money was made at door, the band in question bitched and demanded to get paid regardless even though we told them that it was up to them to draw a crowd. So anyways, does any one just get frustrated when your band works so hard, and other bands just leech off of you and don't offer anything in return. We've decide to really toughen up, bands are gonna now be signing contacts to play at the club that guarantee a certain crowd draw or we will with hold pay. Also we are gonna start demanding shows in return and very aggressively pursue spots on bills. We know that people fear us, band brag that they're "better than us", and then get blown away. This may sound cocky, but we are the band to beat in the area and everyone knows it, so we have decided to use that to our advantage.