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my latest bass buying experience...henry cow meets the melvins meets mr. bungle.

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by frederic b. hodshon, Apr 17, 2002.


  1. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    hi all,

    to compliment my lightwave zon, i went in search of a mag equipped bass.

    even had my eye on a few FRETTED for crying out loud.

    went to the LA Bass Exchange with nearly $3000 in my pocket.

    i tried almost EVERY bass there. fretted and fretless.

    THE ONE BASS that caught my ear and hands, cost less than $500.

    an MTD KINSTON 5 STRING FRETLESS.

    i was hesitant to buy it without doing some research. i've seen them around at several dealers in the past.

    when i got home and did a search, WHA?!?!?!?

    they's a hard deal to get these days. even USED!!!

    so, i called Bass Central (gard?), spoke with Grasshopper, and he arranged a deal on a NEW Kingston, cheaper than TBE and with minimal shipping time (that part's a secret).

    this bass is amazing!

    makes me want to set fire to my MIM Jazz....someone SOMEONE PLEASE take this Fender crap off my hands!

    :D

    the only other basses that came close, were a Fodera Monarch 4 fretted and a Marleaux single cutaway fretted 5.

    i swear, for the band i'm in now, this bass KILLS!

    was nice that TBE had an amp setup similar to mine.

    with a zero fret, and the BFTS, WOW!!!!!!!

    cheap and happy!

    i saved my $$$ for my custom ZON fretless later this year.

    f
     
  2. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    Kind of amazing isn't it!


    Mike
     
  3. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I myself have witnessed the magic of a Kingston 5, mine being fretted. To me, it's playability rips other basses that cost upwards of 1500 (and for you, 3000!) apart. I was pretty floored by it when I tried it out, and now, a few months later, I'm MORE impressed than when I got it. Even passive, it's got a huge voice to it, has a B string that KILLS and...and...well, I'm still drooling. There's nothing bad I can say about this axe. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
     
  4. narud

    narud Supporting Member

    Mar 15, 2001
    santa maria,california
    man, everyone's heading to the exchange this week. im headed there on friday. did you catch what kind of cabs they had? ill be taking my fretless f bass 5 with me and am looking to try out some non-eden cabs.
     
  5. Didel

    Didel

    Feb 21, 2002
    I'm confused, I thought the BFTS only worked on fretted instruments, how would it work on a fretless? And I find it interesting that a fretless also has a zero fret. :) I was thinking about getting a kingston fretless, I might still, but I want to play one first, and no local stores carry them. (and I need some cash. ;) )
     
  6. adrian garcia

    adrian garcia

    Apr 9, 2001
    las vegas. nevada
    Endorsing Artist: Nordy Basses, Schroeder Cabs, Gallien Krueger Amps
    cool!! theyre great- i just ordered 2 for the shop- they were hard to find for a minute- but theyre back!! - and cheap!!
     
  7. I find it interesting that a BFTS can be applied to a fretless with any success.

    Dang it, and I was in the market for a fretless 5, and now I have a good answer in my face. Grr.

    fhodshon = bad influence ;)
     
  8. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    ok ok ok

    well, you may have me on the BFTS with the fretless version.

    i thought about that while i was posting.

    not absolutely sure if it applies to the fretless.

    SORRY!!!

    but STILL.

    DAMN...what a bass!!!!

    they have Agiular, Epifani, Eden cabs....maybe more at TBE.

    great store!!!

    fred
     
  9. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    dang,

    i should edit my posts...

    the zero fret may apply to the fretted only as well.

    SORRY AGAIN, i got high just playing the thing.

    doyeeeeeeeee.............

    :rolleyes:

    f
     
  10. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    by the way,

    Mike D...i've downed a couple of your chord studies.

    GREAT STUFF!!!!

    really rounds out my playing.

    i'll be buying your book soon!!!! SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE!

    any other on-line stuff avail?

    fred
     
  11. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    they have some great stuff there.

    a couple of MTDs, F basses, Fodera, Zon, Zon Lightwave (GORGEOUS redwood top), Marleaux, Lakland, Roscoe (i was surprized how unimpressed i was with these), many more.

    great tryout room.

    very accomodating staff!!!

    Ojai is beautiful!!!!

    fred
     
  12. I've been thinking about going fretless and was considering one of these. So you think the Kingston is much better than an MIM fretless jazz? Can you tell us a little more about it? What did you like so much?
     
  13. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"

    Fred,
    thanks for the kind words. My CD is also avail. It has got a bunch of chordal stuff on it, both solo and in duos, trios and quartet. Added bonus is Paul McCandless (Paul Winter, Oregon, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, and more) is on 2 cuts
    - if you buy both, there's a deal

    Mike
     
  14. geshel

    geshel

    Oct 2, 2001
    Seattle
    Um, you've got one, you tell us? :)

    (edit) uh, nevermind, I see you saved your money. I still don't get where the Melvins come in??? :confused:
     
  15. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    BFTS???
     
  16. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    eh?

    the Henry Cow reference should answer that.

    :)
     
  17. Oysterman

    Oysterman

    Mar 30, 2000
    Sweden
    Buzz Feiten Tuning System.
     
  18. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    Aha! Thanks...
     
  19. From my understanding, the BFTS is a system of slightly shifting the angle of the nut and setting intonation at the saddles a little different. So even if its benefits might not be too apparent on a fretless, since you correct micro intonation problems with your ears, BFTS can still be applied as far as setting intonation and tilting the nut a bit.
     
  20. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    what struck me first about the Kingston was its playability. i'm not much for the tighter fender phongerboard radius. the Kingston has a fairly flat phongerboard.

    i didn't even realise it was a 35" scale, of which i've avoided until now.

    nary a dead spot. punchier than all get out.

    simple electronics.

    nice aesthetics. i may paint or black mylar coat the pickguard.

    my only beef? LINES!!!!!!!

    but, hey...i'll leave the blank planks to my Zons.

    plus my guitarist complains he can't tell where i am with my line-less zon...hehe...i should paint the phongerboard...

    :D :D

    my MIM Jazz has all sorts of issues. buzzing, poor action. i got it a couple of years ago when the MIM Jazz upgrade craze was happening.

    now, i have all this money in a bass i can't even sell for $400. EMGs, BadassII bridge make no difference to people who see the MIM moniker.

    oh well.

    i may give it to a school or church for a tax deduction.

    fred