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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by orion7590, Apr 29, 2006.


  1. orion7590

    orion7590

    Apr 22, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    Hey all
    Some time soon I'm going to be buying this amp
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=481090

    I'm only 16 and as you guessed and I am wayyyy short on cash. Im probably going to have to work all summer to buy this stuff, so I know I could have better, but my budget is the limiting factor.

    I wanted to know which of these 4x10s is better for metal and rock.

    Behringer Ultrabass BA410 1000W 4x10 Bass Cabinet
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=600605

    Gallien-Krueger 410BLX-II 4 x 10 Bass Cabinet
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=601054

    and what is the attitude as far as yamaha cabs go? here is a 4x10 that is the same price as the others, but from my experience yamaha music equipment is shunned.

    Yamaha BBT410S 4 x 10" Bass Speaker Cabinet
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=601412

    thanks
    -Jesse

    oh yeah and also this one! the ratings seem pretty good.

    Ashdown MAG 410T 4X10" Deep Bass Cabinet with Tweeter
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=605032
     
  2. thebassist1234

    thebassist1234

    Feb 12, 2006
    If you are planning on buying from musciansfriend buy the ashdown cab and the ashdown mag 300h.........schivo or whatever his name is (no disrespect to SOAD) plays on ashdown! Behringer is the Geo of bass gear if you compare it to cars........except behringer is easier to find then a geo!
     
  3. vyse933

    vyse933

    Mar 31, 2006
    Grand Haven, MI
    i was in the exact same boat as you like 6 months ago..i even looked at the same stuff on musicians friend. i personally ended up getting a GK backline 600 and avatar 4x10 wich together ran me about 600$. from reading this forum alot, i've assumed that getting the Backline probebly isn't a good idea, and that the ashdown http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=485030 is a good idea.
    Now the avatar cabinet..i LOVE and it seems many on talkbass would agree that avatar is quality stuff. http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ (i have the Delta 4x10, 300$).
    Also from being on this forum, it seems to me that many people find the behringer head your looking at to be..well, not good. that's why i suggest the ashdown mag and an avatar 4x10. will run ya just 600$ (you could go with the GK backline 600..and it would still be 600$)

    EDIT: oh yes, i forgot to mention, the reason i went with that cab. i had read lots of reviews about the backline 4x10 being crap..so i steered away. i also heard very poor reviews on the behringer 4x10. i thought i was gonna go with the ashdown..untill somebody recomended for me avatar..and then avatars lower price for the delta 4x10 and higher wattage handling just drew me in..and i'm glad i chose avatar.
     
  4. orion7590

    orion7590

    Apr 22, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    thanks for the help vyse and bassist! I'm going to GC today to look at some basses and amps, maybe they will have some of these.
     
  5. ashdown rock!
     
  6. parkerd

    parkerd

    Mar 26, 2006
    Perth, WA
    It's Shavo. :)
     
  7. thebassist1234

    thebassist1234

    Feb 12, 2006
    Ohhhhhhh i got it now ;)
     
  8. Plain Old Me

    Plain Old Me

    Dec 14, 2004
    I cannot recommend the head. Do a search on Berhinger. There are better options, even in that price range, such as Ashdown and looking used. Besides that, you should make more than $500 if you are working all summer. My first part time summer job got me about $3000 before taxes.
     
  9. orion7590

    orion7590

    Apr 22, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    okay thanks everybody,
    I figured up that this summer I can make at least $4K, so I'm going to be able to afford better equipment than I thought. Basically my budget after that will be whatever I can afford after the cost of a brand new Rick 4003. But who knows, I live in Austin, TX, the so-called "Live Music Capitol of the World", and I bet that there will be a lot of nice equipment out there that some unsucessful musician hocked so that he could put food on the table.
     
  10. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    I had a friend with two Behringer amps. I fixed them both because of cold solder joints. After the repairs I found them to be sterile sounding and noted rather poor construction. I wouldn't recommend Behringer amps.

    On the other hand, the GK Backline, although imported, is a quality amp. Likewise, the Ashdown in your price range is also an import, not nearly the calibur gear Shavo plays on but is still good. Play everything you can afford and then stuff you can't. Worst case scenario, but better gear used.
     
  11. Chinguschild

    Chinguschild

    Apr 17, 2006
    Chico, Cali
    I dont want to discourage you from the behringer cabs if thats what you want but for your money I think it would pay off in the long run to buy the Hartke 4x10 XL. imho theyre the best aluminum coned cabs but thewy dont got any competition until recently that I have known of. They sell the one I have here.

    http://www.zzounds.com/item--HTK410BXL

    they also make a tweetered version here but I think the tone is plenty bright.

    http://www.zzounds.com/item--HTK45XL
     
  12. Sherwood

    Sherwood

    Mar 17, 2006
    Beijing, PRC
    Man, if you live in Austin, you should live by craigslist musical instruments section, and the for sale section of TB. If I didn't have my ampegs, I would probably play through an Ashdown. Shavo uses it, and so does Colin Greenwood, the bass player for Radiohead. Good British bass tone, which is what I assume you're looking for based on the purchase of a new Ric 4003.
     
  13. orion7590

    orion7590

    Apr 22, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    Okay I just found out that my budget loosened, a whole lot. I just got a job! :D, plus I will be making money this summer. First, working full-time making $6/Hr, and probably lots of overtime, and then during the later part of the summer (probably july through mid-august when school starts again) working full-time, making $8.5/Hr. So, I am going to be able to afford some better stuff. Ampeg seems to be the favorite among metal players here, so how do these sound?

    Ampeg SVT450H 450W Classic Series Head
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=481756

    Ampeg SVT-810E Bass Enclosure
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Amps?sku=481731

    geez, I can't believe, I'm going to drop $1000 on speakers... IT FEELS GOOD!!!
     
  14. Sherwood

    Sherwood

    Mar 17, 2006
    Beijing, PRC
    For all your metal needs, I'd go with the B2-re over the classic. Same wattage, similar overdrive tone, and a much more modern look. With the money you save, you could rackmount it with a power supply, you could buy a good overdrive pedal, or you could take an adoring fan out on a few nice dates. It's your call, but I don't think Ampeg's classic line serves you as well as their straight-ahead stuff.

    The speakers, however, are right on. You're going to love plugging in to all that.
     
  15. orion7590

    orion7590

    Apr 22, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    wow, that does look a lot more modern, $125 cheaper too. but here I am again, with a n00b question: I'm not sure how this rack stuff works, can someone please explain?
     
  16. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    A rack is a standard width (19" wide) enclosure where each unit (1.75") is also an industry standard, offering an array of industry standard sizes of amps, tuners, etc. that can be mounted securely in a single protective enclosure.
     
  17. orion7590

    orion7590

    Apr 22, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    I've done some thinking, and I really dont think that I want to spend $1000 on the ampeg 810. But, I was looking around on musician's friend, and I found exactly what I was looking for (gasp). A half-stack with the B2RE head and the ampeg 410HLF. But I have one question: The ampeg SVT-410HLF is $100 more than the SVT-410HE, what is the difference between the two? Which one would be better for metal and rock on a rick 4003?
     
  18. Sherwood

    Sherwood

    Mar 17, 2006
    Beijing, PRC
    The HLF has an extended low range by means of it's ported enclosure. Essentially, that means that the drivers are in an isolated cabinet, and the air they move in the cabinet is focused and directed out the front. This serves to give you more low extension than 10" drivers usually provide. The RIC isn't a particularly bass heavy bass, so I think you might benefit from the extra extension, especially for metal. The cabinet is a lot heavier, though, so if you're going to be moving around a lot that's something to keep in mind. That, and it's 100 extra dollars, which may just make the difference.

    Good luck with your tentative rig.
     
  19. orion7590

    orion7590

    Apr 22, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    Haha, thanks for all of your help Sherwood, you are awesome. For a while there it was fairly tentative, but I'm pretty sure I've got it figured out now. I have decided on the B2RE and the SVT-410HLF, and maybe on down the line, once I start getting more gigs, add a/a few cab(s) The extra $100 is no problem, and neither is the weight, because as it is my band only gigs like once a month, and we practice in the den and that's where all my music equipment stays anyway.

    again, thanks to anybody that replied.
     
  20. you better have a big car or van to get that 8x10 around. i bought a mesa 6x10 and had to return it due to its massive size. the Svt810 is a nice cab, just saying, size and weight it DEFINITLY something to look into before buying a cab.
     

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