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NAD: Markbass

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by jamersonburton, Mar 30, 2015.


  1. jamersonburton

    jamersonburton

    Jul 22, 2011
    I've been using a small Fender Rumble 15 since I started a few years ago and sort of got sick of having to rent amps/deal with mediocre tone from a 15watt amp competing with loud drums guitars. So after lots of research and testing different amps, I narrowed it down to:
    Eden E300
    Ampeg PF350
    Markbass Littlemark Blackline 250

    Went with the markbass, as the title indicates, and am very proud of this decision. Now to find a cab ahaa (my wallet aint laughin').

    IMG_20150330_1509261_zpspjhpdj1x.jpg Photo by Jamersonburton | Photobucket
     
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  2. Congrats! I picked up one of these not too long ago. Digging it so far.

    What cabinets are you looking at?
     
  3. jamersonburton

    jamersonburton

    Jul 22, 2011
    So i've tried different setups: 4x10 GK, 1x15 GK, a 1x15 Ampeg, and a 2x10 Ampeg, as well as the GK 4x10 and 1x15 together.

    I had band practices with the GK's (rental- all setups mentioned above). All cabs were 8 ohm to my knowledge

    So far, in order, I prefer:
    2 cabs - did not feel like the cab was fighting back and the amp was really drivin!

    115 - I like this, the seem to carry low end better to my ear and did not crap out if I raised the volume (Ampeg was really nice!)

    4x10 - More volume than the 1x15 but it just started to fart hard in the upper midrange! Didn't seem to click very well, might be the 4ohm head into 1 8ohm cab i guess.

    I'm thinking of grabbing a powerful 115 or finding a 4ohm 410.
     
  4. Russell L

    Russell L

    Mar 5, 2011
    Cayce, SC
    A 15" speaker is not necessarily better at producing bottom than a smaller speaker. Or, sometimes if it's in a bigger cab that might be the cause of it. But it's not due to the bigger cone size unless that particular 15 has the specs for it. Some 15s can sound thin and some 10s can sound deep. Just depends on the specs, cab, and tuning..

    If you can afford one, take a look at Barefaced. You can get a 1x12" that can even give a 4x10 a run for its money. No kidding. Go to barefacedbass.com and read up on them, especially the technical info. You'll be surprised how much you will learn about how speakers and cabs actually work. Talk to Alex. He can recommend the best cab for your application. They might cost more than you'd like, but just think about it. No need to haul big, heavy cabs these days. Alex's designs are based on speakers with long excursion that makes up for having to have a big cab, as far as displacement is concerned. A speaker is like a piston where displacement is diameter X throw. The more throw, the smaller the speaker can be and maintain the same displacement value. Of course, there are more specs to consider, too, but that's the idea. Even if you don't get a Barefaced go to the site and read about stuff anyway. It's VERY informative

    I'm with you on Markbass. I have a Little Mark III head that is awesome.
     
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  5. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    The combination of a 1x15 with a 4x10 is a horrible idea. It seems like you like the tone of Ampeg 1x15s so find two and rock out!
     
  6. Between those two options, personally, I'd go for a 4 Ohm 410.

    Speaking in complete generalities (I don't know your band circumstances or specifics of gear involved, other than you're moving from a 15 watt practice amp), I'd think you'd want to get the most out of the amp that you can. It's hardly a powerhouse, so whatever you do, go with a 4 Ohm setup (and multiple speakers), whether 2 8 Ohm or 1 4 Ohm.

    You say "a powerful" 115. I'm sure I know what you meant, but to nitpick a little bit, cabinets aren't "powerful," per se. What you end up getting from any 115 is going to be limited by the speaker area and the fact that, again, the LM250 simply isn't all that powerful. As a generic matter, a 115 that can take all that the LM250 can give it is not going to be as loud as a 410 that can take all that the LM250 can give it. And 4 Ohm 115s are available, but if you're looking at the used market, I presume they'll be harder to come by than 8 Ohm ones. As recommended above, 2 115s can be a good setup, giving you modular choices to run with.

    410s do a lot of real-world work. They're often more than what's needed...which is a good thing to have on hand, so long as it's not an issue to get around or otherwise taking up too much space. As far as farting out goes, (beating a dead horse at this point) aside from some extreme EQing, the LM250 shouldn't present this problem for a decent 410.

    Speaking to my personal experience and preference, I like the 212 configuration. As someone who was using a 410, it was more than I needed, and while "manageable," it was heavier and bulkier than need be. In general terms, 212s can get most of the work of a 410 done and are available in convenient form factors and under 40 lbs (though some 212s are the same size and weight as some 410s). But people's circumstances may differ. For gigs, I always have or can have PA support.
     
  7. jamersonburton

    jamersonburton

    Jul 22, 2011
    Still gonna get a cab but, just a question that I've thought of. Would it make sense to run the line out on the markbass into a PA system? Could that work? Not 100% necessary but it could be convenient at times.
     
  8. I have a LMII with a 4ohms Avatar B410, it is very nice loud and deep. However, the more it goes the more I love 1x15 cabs. They can differ a lot from brand to brand and if you plan on using only one cab you need one that works great as a stand alone 1x15. I heard a lot of good things about the Orange 1x15. It is my next cab.
    Really, it all depends on what style of music you play: Rock/Blues/Reggae/Soul = 15 cabs. Funk, Top40, Pop = 4x10. 2x10 cabs always feel wimpy to me (I have an Ampeg 2x10 as well)
     
  9. Yes. That's essentially what it's there for. What's your band make-up? What do you do for PA now...own? Vocals only? If you own, what does it consist of?

    Speaking in general again, if you have a "typical bare-bones" setup with a mixer and decent 15" speakers, it'll likely handle some bass well, for reinforcement. I'm not sure if it was what you were asking, but a system like that possibly could handle all of the bass (you with no cabinet), but if you're talking about that and a gig situation, you'll likely have some difficulty hearing yourself. If you're talking about a garage situation, where you have the PA facing yourselves, it would be something you might find passable, if by "convenient," you meant at times that you don't have/until you get a cabinet.
     
  10. jamersonburton

    jamersonburton

    Jul 22, 2011
    Thanks! That's what I was looking for, so I could run it through a cab and a PA together, right? I apologize for these questions, haven't really dealt with amps too much before..
     
  11. Clap Trap

    Clap Trap

    Jan 27, 2015
    Israel
    I just got my Markbass LM 250 Blackline today , awesome little amp , I was thinking to go for the mini stack option(very popular nowadays) with 2 EBS CL 112 cabs, If you have PA support you should be fine with 1x112 cab, they sound awesome and deliver a lot of power and amazing tone, you should check them out, they're listed at 350$ ;)

    EBS Reidmar 250 D Class Head & EBS Classic Line CL112 Cabinets

    And here you can hear them with a live band :
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2015
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  12. Absolutely.

    Again, I don't know what kind of situation you have (if we're talking gigs or just jamming), but if you're playing with people who have a common aim of getting a good sound, running all of the instruments through the PA at some level, especially the kick drum and bass, can help to create a great balance and richness of the overall sound (particularly with the addition of a sub(s)), even at levels where it's not strictly needed for volume.

    Edit - And it may seem to be a given that everybody wants to achieve the best overall sound for the band, but that's sometimes overridden by certain members' unwillingness (i.e., guitarists) or inability (i.e., drummers) to control their levels appropriately for the situation at hand.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2015
  13. jamersonburton

    jamersonburton

    Jul 22, 2011
    So I've had a chance to test this out for a while, playing through a traynor 410 (not mine) and had some band practices (gigs coming up). Really good head.
    Here are the two settings I find I prefer (p with rounds, pj with flats):

    1) (#'s are oclock, not level)
    Gain - 11
    Bass - 11
    Low Mid - 1
    High Mid - 12
    Treble - 12-1
    Master - 9-10
    VLE - OFF
    VPF -OFF

    2) (#'s are oclock, not level)
    Gain - 12
    Bass - 12
    Low Mid - 12
    Hi Mid -11-12
    Treble - 12
    Master - 10
    VLE - 12
    VPF - OFF

    This bass amp just has really punchy tones even when everything is flat. Pros? Completely silent in different environments, awesome tone, great control over sound.

    The only con i can think of atm is that the Pre/Post EQ on the back doesn't seem to work (eq still works either way).

    Would definitely recommend!
     
  14. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism Supporting Member

    Glad to hear you are enjoying the head. On the note of the con, are you sending a line out of the head D.I. to your P.A. at practice? The pre/post switch is for the D.I. out, it will not affect anything else. Works great on my Markbass head although I almost always send it post.
     
  15. jamersonburton

    jamersonburton

    Jul 22, 2011
    Good to know. thanks.
     

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