NBD! Fender Original 70's Jazz

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by vlad335, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. vlad335

    vlad335 Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Latrobe, PA
    Got this from Sweetwater a couple days ago. With working this week I finally had a chance to mess with it.

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    I am primarily a 5 string player but wanted to add the Geddy Lee type tone to my arsenal. This bass looks much better in person. Far better!

    Had a terrible setup out of the case. I added a Gotoh 404 bridge (direct drop in) and some Rotosound 66's and set it up more to my liking. ( I like top load bridges so I can soak my strings in denatured alcohol easier.) This is a very nice instrument but IMO not $2150 nice.

    One thing that is bothering me about this bass though. I have to bury the pickups to eliminate a weird chorus type sound. It's like the pickups are super hot and the magnets are pulling on the strings more than any I have ever dealt with. Has anyone had this problem with this model? The ears on the neck jazz pickup are under the pickguard.

    The neck is far more chunkier than I expected as well. Not sure how i feel about it yet.

    Taking it to rehearsal tonight and going to see what's what.
     
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  2. Ace Of Bass

    Ace Of Bass A Rooster Illusion

    Jun 27, 2006
    DMV
    Could the pickups be microphonic...? I had the same issue with my old Jazz...had to wax pot them , but I would much rather have done that than remove the original pickups...I’d be surprised a brand new Fender is coming off the line with microphonic pickups...it sure would be funny in a way though...seems like a bunch of 70’s Fenders had that issue...it’d be par for the course of catching the “old 70’s Fender vibe”...now all it needs is to be 11+ pounds:roflmao:..microphonic pickups are not a huge deal for an old bass...simple fix..a new bass..? ...that might have to go back..
     
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  3. vlad335

    vlad335 Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Latrobe, PA
    Thanks for the reply. No, they are not microphonic. Just the magnets are way too hot for some reason. No squeal when cranked through an amp. Reminds me of when I installed SD quarter pounder jazz PU's in my Warwick corvette back in the day. The string pull was too powerful and when I played higher up the neck, it sounded weird and the output dropped. these Fender pickups are even more powerful than that. Wow! I can't believe it! i can't screw them into the body enough.

    Took it to a rehearsal and with the pickups buried I got no weird sounds. However, the A and D strings had slightly less output which I attribute to the 9.5 radius with no raised pole pieces. Damn Fender! This is a company that singlehandedly created the aftermarket pickup market.

    I like the bass so it looks like a pickup replacement on a 2k instrument.
     
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  4. bobyoung53

    bobyoung53 Supporting Member


    Rotos are very loud strings, could that have something to do with it? Ever try DR Sunbeams?
     
  5. Jim C

    Jim C I believe in the trilogy; Fender, Stingray, + G&L Supporting Member

    Nov 29, 2008
    Bethesda, MD
    Thought I could help since I read original 70's bass and I've had a few.
    No idea about the repros though.
     
  6. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    Sorry and congrats. Good luck with the setup/onboarding. Blocks look nice.
     
  7. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    I am sorry you are having issues with it because it certainly is a gorgeous bass.
     
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  8. 68Tele-Bass

    68Tele-Bass

    Jun 2, 2020
    Cape Cod
    Very Nice!! Sorry about the pickups- that’s very weird...
     
  9. vlad335

    vlad335 Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Latrobe, PA
    Thanks everyone. I am considering Fralin -5% underwound pickups with raised centers. Maybe just the stock wind but definitely need raised A and D pole pieces. What say you?
     
  10. vlad335

    vlad335 Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Latrobe, PA
    It is beautiful. The neck and the blocks are gorgeous in person. The camera just can't bring this bass justice.
     
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  11. Rabidhamster

    Rabidhamster

    Jan 15, 2014
    70s pickups have raised pole pieces. Every 70s Jazz I can think of had the little “tabs” set up slightly lower than the pickguard.

    The 60s style flush mounted magnets can be mounted a little higher without the string warble magnet interference. It sounds different though which may also be what you want.

    If you haven’t already shimmed the neck during set up, you might like to try that before replacing the 70s style pickups. Let me know if you need a walk through on the proper way to do it. That will get you the same string action on the neck but pull the strings up a little further away over the body, getting the strings a little further from neck pickup at a reasonable depth, while also allowing you to raise the bridge height slightly for better string break angle and tone.


    Now this next idea is risky. Sometimes you can “radius” the pickup poles yourself by pushing gently down on the E and G poles. They will definitely slide. Why is it risky? If they snag a winding the pickup is dead until it’s rewound.
    Generally the best successes here are with smooth cast magnets. You’d want to examine your specific pole pieces carefully and decide if it’s a worthwhile risk-to-reward ratio for you before you proceed.
    I’ve done it before successfully on strats a number of times, but I’ve read about people who failed. I’m pretty sure 70s Style magnets Are smooth cast and the enamel is thicker but again check your own specific instrument first and decide if you want to do it.
     
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  12. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    This is a new instrument, neck shimming and messing with the poles sounds like a good way to void a warranty. If the bass needs major labor to be playable, send it back.
     
  13. Rabidhamster

    Rabidhamster

    Jan 15, 2014
    Shimming (correctly) is part of every bolt on neck instrument set up and cannot void the warranty.
    I agree messing with the pole pieces is somewhat drastic, it can not only void the warranty but if it goes wrong ruin the pickup, but swapping the pickups like he’s considering and installing the aftermarket bridge he put on probably also voided the warranty.

    Of course since OP is also not sure he’s happy with the neck profile I am in total agreement with recommending to send it back. Especially if the new bridge is the same shape as the old one. For that money IMO you gotta LOVE it
     
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  14. vlad335

    vlad335 Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Latrobe, PA
    I am keeping it.

    As far as the neck profile, it is not bad. Surprised by the thickness of the neck at first but not a deal breaker to me.

    I don't think the neck needs shimed at this point but I may try the pickup pole trick. Will most likely replace the pickups but its worth a shot. Thanks for the post.

    EVERY Fender bass I have bought new needed work IMO. Even top end American models. ( Never owned a Custom Shop) I just kind of expect that.
     
  15. Ace Of Bass

    Ace Of Bass A Rooster Illusion

    Jun 27, 2006
    DMV
    That’s tough, man....I’ve have pretty solid experiences with the American made stuff....either way, glad it’s fixable..
     
  16. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    Sorry to hear your having problems with your new bass, I thought these Fenders were supposed to be top of the line.... guess not. Have you considered Duncan Antiquity 2’s for a pup replacement? They are wound with the purple wire and have grey bottoms, just like the real 70’s pickups. Plus, they sound great. Nordstrand and Lollar offer 70’s winds too. Best of luck!
     
  17. vlad335

    vlad335 Supporting Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Latrobe, PA
    Purchased a set of Tom Brantley Geddy Lee pickups to try.