NBD: Squier VM fretless Jazz

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by rickster4003, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. rickster4003

    rickster4003

    Feb 15, 2013
    Wife picked me up a used 2013 squire VM Jazz for xmas. The truss rod was maxed out and not able to adjust. Pulled the brass hex-nut out clean, lubricated, added a couple of washers. I was thinking the nut was reaching its limit and if it could be giving more thread room the neck would adjust. The washers worked great - the neck easily adjusts all the way through flat and back bow. Put on some Rotosound medium RS66 strings, cleaned up and waxed, it is in near new shape. Filed the nut down a abit also and the strings are nice and low, a little more filing and adjusting and it might get even more lower than my other fretted basses.

    Is low action common for fretless? This is my first time.

    I am real happy with the squier line of instruments. My other is a maple '77 jazz which is also a very nice instrument.

    Cheers-
    Ed
     
  2. Basshappi

    Basshappi

    Feb 12, 2007
    Tucson,AZ
    Congrats!
    Many people like a very low action with little relief on fretless. It helps get the "mwah" sound that is often desired by fretless players.
    If you desire more of a double bass sound then you might try raising the action and maybe even add a piece of foam under the strings near the bridge to mute them.
     
  3. rickster4003

    rickster4003

    Feb 15, 2013
    I'm looking for that jaco /Mark Egan MWAHHHHHH sound
     
  4. Bob-I

    Bob-I

    Sep 12, 2014
    Aren't the RS66s round wound? Unusual choice for a fretless. It's not unheard of but it can dig into the fretboard and wear it. I also like fretless for the Bwow sound it makes.

    As for the action, I like it low enough to make it Bwow but not so low that it doesn't play every note clean.

    FYI, the truss rod issue is fairly common. Your fix should last a lifetime.
     
  5. rickster4003

    rickster4003

    Feb 15, 2013
    Yes they are round wounds - I like the sound -the ebanol board should be able to deal with the strings. It is ok if I get a small amount of wear otherwise I will have to get something else - I'll have to keep an eye on it and see how the wear rate is.
     
  6. Basshappi

    Basshappi

    Feb 12, 2007
    Tucson,AZ
    Bring up both volumes to full and tone wide open. Back off the volume of the front pickup about a quarter turn. Adjust the tone as need to take out a bit of the high end zing of the round wounds. PLace your plucking hand back by the bridge, use the back pickup as your thumb rest position, adjust accordingly. That is pretty much the starting point for the "Jaco Sound".
     
  7. Basshappi

    Basshappi

    Feb 12, 2007
    Tucson,AZ
    One other thing, don't scoop your mids on your amp.
     
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  8. zontar

    zontar

    Feb 19, 2014
    J-5
    I find my fretless sounds much better without the mids scooped--but then I also like mids...
     
  9. Bob-I

    Bob-I

    Sep 12, 2014
    My fretless has an ebanol board as well. I bought the neck used and the first owner had used rounds. It has some wear from the rounds but not serious. I'm not sure how much he played. He had replaced the neck because he said he couldn't get used to playing fretless.

    If you want that Bwow tone, flats will bring that out more. Lower the action until you get the tone you want but it still plays clean. The sign that the action is too low is that some notes don't sustain. Since there's no frets to rattle against, it's when the string lays down on the board that kills tone and sustain. At least that's my experience.

    I found it next to impossible to get the tone I wanted with rounds. Between that and the sleeve noise when sliding up and down to and from notes I went to flats. But whatever floats your boat. :)
     
  10. Freddels

    Freddels Musical Anarchist

    Apr 7, 2005
    Sutton, MA
    Round wounds are the choice for fretless. I've used them on my fretless basses for years with no problems.
     
  11. rickster4003

    rickster4003

    Feb 15, 2013
    Thanks for the suggestions - I will have to give them a try. Been wanting to work on fretless for awhile now. Taught myself some violin which will give some understanding in developing fretless technique.

    Cheers - Ed
     

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  12. MonetBass

    MonetBass ♪ Just listen ♫ Supporting Member

    Sep 15, 2006
    Tulsa
    Be aware that if you do switch from rounds to flats, the difference in tension will require some major neck adjustments because the Squier VM necks don't have the carbon fiber reinforcement. I learned this the hard way. The flats were fun to play (much like playing a DB), but I didn't dig the sound. Went back to rounds (and readjusted the neck).