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NCD Fearful 12/6

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by turcmic, Jul 22, 2019.


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  1. Jul 22, 2019 #1
    turcmic

    turcmic Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    Montreal, QC
    33778C8B-06F6-4F65-A043-6D8B959D2B9E.jpeg My first build is almost completed, a few minor touch-ups and finish coat and it will be done. I plugged my 5-string in my trust-worthy Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0. I plugged the cab. Turned on the amp. I have a band rehearsal tomorrow and we are taking a shot at Slither from Velvet Revolver. Hmmmm... low D, rock and roll... why not! A « gentle » test drive with half the screws on the speakers.

    I am now a believer. It’s everything they say.
     
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  5. Jul 22, 2019 #2
    nutdog

    nutdog when I'm a good dog they sometimes throw me a bone

    Feb 19, 2009
    in the dog house
    Nice work
     
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  10. Jul 22, 2019 #3
    turcmic

    turcmic Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    Montreal, QC
    (Insert your favourite 4-letter word)

    My drill slipped on the last screw, on the mid speaker.... hole on the rubbery edge...

    Is shoe goo a good solution?

    Man, it felt good only for less than 30 minutes...
     
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  14. Jul 22, 2019 #4
    mmbongo

    mmbongo Regular Human Bartender Supporting Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    Carolinas
    Always use two hands when screwing in speakers. One on the drill, one holding the screw and covering the speaker. Guess you know that now!

    Shoe goo is probably not a good idea, that driver will never be right, depending on the damage. Can you post a good picture of the rip?
     
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  18. Jul 22, 2019 #5
    turcmic

    turcmic Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    Montreal, QC
    And make a pre-hole and make jigs for the router (for handle and jack plate)... yes, my first build and learned a lot...

    Here’s a pic
    08B84A99-5783-4D43-9CE6-3A900311671C.jpeg

    I spent the night looking for DIY solutions (hey, it’s a DIY project!). I found out that a lot of people use silicone. Some sell their secret stuff (parts express), with their own label without any description of the content...

    Thanks for your help @mmbongo
     
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  22. Jul 22, 2019 #6
    turcmic

    turcmic Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    Montreal, QC
    Some seem to use Silicone like Permatex RTV silicone adhesive or few drops of Super Glue. Any help is appreciated!
     
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  26. Jul 22, 2019 #7
    mmbongo

    mmbongo Regular Human Bartender Supporting Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    Carolinas
    Man that’s a tough spot for a mid driver. You need something thick and pliable so silicone might be the way to go. I’ve done that before. I’d be worried about it buzzing though.
     
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  31. Jul 22, 2019 #8
    turcmic

    turcmic Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    Montreal, QC
    Thanks
    I’ll sleep on it :oops:
     
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  35. Jul 22, 2019 #9
    nutdog

    nutdog when I'm a good dog they sometimes throw me a bone

    Feb 19, 2009
    in the dog house
    Duct tape!
     
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  39. Jul 22, 2019 #10
    Downunderwonder

    Downunderwonder

    Aug 26, 2009
    New Zealand
    Start another thread. ''Help, I put my screwdriver through my mid driver!"
     
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  43. Jul 23, 2019 #11
    H Nighttrain

    H Nighttrain

    Feb 12, 2018
    I'd suspect a re-cone is the only real fix, sorry for your mishap!
     
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  47. Jul 23, 2019 #12
    brett adams

    brett adams

    Jun 2, 2015
    PORTLAND, OREGON
    i did the same to a speaker. brought it in for a recone and the repair guy said it could be fixed with dope. he brushed it on pretty heavily on the top and underneath and sent me home with it. said it would be fine to test in 24 hours and if it didn't work, bring it back and he'll recone it. it worked.
     
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  51. Jul 23, 2019 #13
    turcmic

    turcmic Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    Montreal, QC
    Thanks. I will do more research on doping material.

    Fortunately, the speaker itself is affordable (around 60-70 Canadian dollars) so reconing is probably not an economic option.
     
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  55. Jul 23, 2019 #14
    salcott

    salcott Supporting Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    NYC, Inwood.
    Recone or replace. Never use a drill on speaker screws. I punched a hole in a Gauss 18" many years ago and learned that lesson the expensive way.
     
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  59. Jul 23, 2019 #15
    Bill Whitehurst

    Bill Whitehurst

    Sep 25, 2010
    Fort Worth, Texas
    Because it is a mid with a crossover it should never see the lows that cause big excursion,
    so maybe that part is not so very bad.
    It does count on being sealed, so that part will have to be dealt with.
    I would definately try dope, silicone or something.

    If it works, then great.
    If not, you were already going to need to replace it.

    Cheer up.
    If you had built the 15/6/1 those mids are a bit more pricey. ;)
     
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  64. Jul 23, 2019 #16
    Roxbororob

    Roxbororob Supporting Member

    Jun 8, 2015
    Montreal
    Recone or Rubber Cement

    Silicone or Superglue = no no
     
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  68. Jul 23, 2019 #17
    turcmic

    turcmic Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    Montreal, QC
    I see you’re from Montreal. Have you tried the rubber cement? And do you know a speaker repair shop in town? Did a research on the interweb but only found obscure shops

    Thanks
     
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  72. Jul 23, 2019 #18
    Smooth_bass88

    Smooth_bass88 vaxx! Supporting Member

    Oct 31, 2006
    North AMERICA, USA
    Question is, will FOH engineers mic it instead of just running the bass direct
     
  76. Jul 23, 2019 #19
    cableguy

    cableguy

    Jun 4, 2009
    North Bend, WA
    The 12/6 is a great little cab. I'm coming up on a decade with mine. I found the Shuttle 6.0 a little under powered for hard rock stuff. Depends on how loud you play I guess. Great sounding head at lower volumes. Just FYI, sometime if you push your amp to clipping, it will make the mid sound distorted. So it may not be your speaker repair if you hear that. I've found my GK MBFusion 800 to be the perfect match for my 12/6. And I also learned the hard way with installing speakers with a screw gun. I lost a 3012LF because I was rushing to finish my cab. (OUCH!)
     
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  80. Jul 23, 2019 #20
    Roxbororob

    Roxbororob Supporting Member

    Jun 8, 2015
    Montreal
    Yes I have tried rubber cement ( it was recommendation from Bill Fitzmaurice somewhere on his forum). I did the exact same thing on a 4" subwoofer and it worked fine. I wouldn't expect it to hold up on the Alpha 12 but it is certainly worth trying on the mid. Try not to glue the folds together (apply several thin layers, drying in between coats).

    No I dont know any local recone shops.
     
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