Neck pocket gap

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by seansbrew, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    I have a warmoth Dinky J body that has a neck pocket that is approx. 2.47"

    The neck I ordered has a heel width of approx. 2.37"
    Needless to say the neck is pretty loose in the pocket

    I ordered a Fender spec. Neck?

    Is this typical?

    Would you use it ?
     
  2. I would expect that the gap between the strings and the edge of the neck would be too small, i.e. the strings would be close to the edge. Maybe not enough to make a difference?

    I can't speak to what is the normal width, but I wouldn't be happy with that gap.
     
  3. BTL

    BTL Commercial User

    Sep 26, 2006
    Odessa, FL
    Brad Lowe, Lowe Custom Guitars
    Are either finished?

    If not, you may find that gap closes up a far bit after finish has been applied.

    You could also veneer in the pocket to snug things up a bit.

    Pictures would help.
     
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  4. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    Now that I centered the neck it doesn't look as bad.
    20190601_173510.jpg 20190601_173517.jpg 20190601_173526.jpg 20190601_173456.jpg
     
  5. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    Probably .050 on each side, the gap is equal on both sides. I can live with it if the neck absolutely doesn't need to be in contact with the sides of the body.
     
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  6. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    I will install the bridge and check the E and G string distance to edge.
     
  7. Some of the 70’s Fenders that the bound and blocked neck is copying had a gap “you could park a bicycle in” as a friend of mine used to say. You could think of it as historically accurate, if that helps.
     
  8. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    A few.more pics 20190601_185344.jpg 20190601_185408.jpg 20190601_185416.jpg
     
  9. If the neck is tightly secured to the body and doesn't move, you're okay. The problem with the oversized neck pockets on some late '70's Fenders were that the sides of the body had to be in firm contact with the sides of the neck on models that had the three bolt MicroTilt neck system. If not, the triangular shape of the bolt pattern allowed the neck to shift back and forth. The standard four bolt setup was able to stay put with just an unsightly gap. Nobody really uses the three bolt system anymore, so it won't throw your bass horribly out of tune constantly. The bottom half of the gap is usually covered by the pickguard. Hope this helps.
     
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  10. BTL

    BTL Commercial User

    Sep 26, 2006
    Odessa, FL
    Brad Lowe, Lowe Custom Guitars
    Yeah, you're fine.

    Set up, tune to pitch, loosen the neck screws 1/4 turn, check alignment, retighten.

    Done.
     
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  11. mellowgerman

    mellowgerman Supporting Member

    Jan 23, 2008
    Orlando, FL
    If you got both from Warmoth, you paid top dollar for two pieces that should fit perfectly. In that regard, I would not accept that gap. I like a nice tight pocket. Could make it work, but the neck will be liable to shift or tilt from one side to another under a little bit of pressure. Not to mention resonance transfer will be affected even if it is minuscule. Paying the Warmoth premium should also not leave you having to veneer or shim the pocket.
    Again if these were parts from two different sources or completely different eras, this kind of thing is to be expected. But both new Warmoth? I would send them a friendly email pointing out the issue, with photos, and ask them how they will fix it (either replacing the body or the neck).
     
  12. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    The body is used and the neck is new.

    I did ask for a Fender spec neck but im realizing that is not a specific enough request.
    I am new to this so I have allot to learn.
    This will be my first time attempting to assemble a bass.
    I am leaning towards making shims for the neck pocket.
    What material is typically used and where can I acquire it?
     
  13. onamission

    onamission Supporting Member

    Ask Warmoth what they consider Fender spec. Seems a bit narrow to me. I could see it being 88mm or so the thickness of a pick on one side but not almost a 1/8th of a inch.
     
  14. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    The body is a used warmoth I picked up here in the classifieds.
    The neck is from a small company that makes basses.
    The only recourse I have is with the neck.
    So here are a few more options:
    1. Get a body from the manufacturer of the neck.
    2. Send the neck back and get a neck from warmoth.
    3. Make what I have work and shim the sides of the neck pocket.
     
  15. onamission

    onamission Supporting Member

    Shim it, sounds like your only option.
     
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  16. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    Now that I know I can remedy the pocket issue and that the string to string alignment will be good, I will start looking for suitable shim material.
    There is a wood shop in town that opens in a few hours, going to give them a call.
     
  17. seansbrew

    seansbrew Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Mesa AZ.
    Thanks to all for your replies.
     
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  18. wraub

    wraub

    Apr 9, 2004
    ennui, az
    I'd use some veneer to fill that gap...
     
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  19. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    maybe see about getting some thin non-backed veneer. They are usually in the neighborhood of 0.02" in thickness. If you can't get them to slide freely into the space between the pocket and neck, then I wouldn't bother with shimming, it's probably tight enough. :)
     
  20. micguy

    micguy

    May 17, 2011
    If tge Warmoth body hasn’t been messed with, it’s probably very close to what it should be. I’ve worked with ten Warmoth body/ neck combos, and they were all nice and snug.