Neck Thickness (1st Fret)

Rayjay

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I’m in a season where I recently acquired some new instruments- some basses and a caliper. So, I had some fun and took some measurements! I bought the basses with my neck preference in mind; I discovered I like thin profiles (but also I’m not too picky about string spacing). Up until now I’ve only formed opinions based on how they felt in my hands, and the measurements surprised me a bit too!

I’ll soapbox for a quick rant here- the 1st fret thickness is an important factor, but seems relatively hard to find- often not listed at all in the specs. Compared to the easy to find nut width almost never not listed. And the neck description is confusing- take Fender where the AVII 1960 P neck (0.79” @ 1st fret) is described as “substantial C” and the Nate Mendel is a “slim C” @ 0.89”. I digress, and this was a very revealing experiment for me with fascinating results that I did not expect.

Here’s my basses. I’m putting them in what I thought was slimmest to thickest based on feel alone.

This is a GWB-35 made in 2023. SR necks are legendary and this is the fastest neck I own. I thought it was the thinnest at around 3/4” but it’s my third thinnest at basically 0.81” (20.5mm)
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The Callowhill is super slim, Tim had permission to make me his favorite neck, based off what he called “Fender’s Ibanez neck” which was the wide/flat P bass profile of the early 60s and basically what the AVRI 62 (and the Fullerton Reissue 62 before) were profiled from. But again I was wrong, it’s not the thinnest!! But I was correct that it was 0.790” thickness. (20.1mm)
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I have a 2008 AVRI 62 which I naturally thought tied the Callowhill. I feels exactly the same, very comfortable and fast. But I was way off, it’s 0.813” (13/16”; 20.65mm)
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My other super fast, race car impossible to not overplay bass, the MVP-5 (17.5mm spacing). Feels thin, but it’s actually the thickest!! Confirmation bias on my part? 0.846” thickness (21.5mm)
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2023 American Professional II PV. The only other thing I got right was that I guessed this was my 5th (of 6) thickest. It’s based off the 1963 C profile. I know that when they went from the 1962 AVRI to the 1963 reissue P bass, the neck got chunkier. It’s not “chunky” to me, but a little fatter than the 62. 0.827” (21mm)
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The last one was the real shocker. 2021 Custom Shop Journeyman Precision/Jazz. I bought this in my quest for the tiny neck based on what I discovered, which is that this was based on one of the smallest profiles, the early 60’s jazz U. (Even though the instrument itself is fashioned after a ‘65-70 style). The thing is, it feels a little chunky to me! I actually thought it was my fattest neck, but the results show that it is the thinnest! How can that be? 0.787” (20mm”) - or just a hair below
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Really good info and insights. I always found it strange how uncommon it is for sellers to divulge the 1st fret neck thickness given how much that can change the playing experience. Although as you also pointed out, the numerical measurement and how it feels in your hand can differ!
 
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Really good info and insights. I always found it strange how uncommon it is for sellers to divulge the 1st fret neck thickness given how much that can change the playing experience. Although as you also pointed out, the numerical measurement and how it feels in your hand can differ!

I don't think most people understand it. And measuring thickness is only a maximal. You need the curve of the neck described and most people can't do the math for curves or area under a curve.

Besides, width and radius have at least as big an impact in how it feels. It's 3D not just thickness. It really is more of a volume problem.
 
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When you state "first fret thickness" are you measuring just behind the fret or including the height of the fret?
I too like a thin and narrow neck but have also never measured them other than the nut width.

I measured including the fret and got the following for my favourite necks. My measureing is probably out by a tenth or two either direction so, as you can see below, they are all pretty similar. Even the biggest neck, the 8-string, isn't that much thicker than the others. I suppose I just like what I like. :laugh:

Ibanez SR1200 - 20mm
Warmoth Slim Taper Jazz sized neck - 21.1
Squier Jag Short Scale - 21.2
Samick 'Ray Clone parts bass - 21
LTD 8-string - 22.4
Warmoth Slim Taper Jazz sized fretless is 21.2 surprisingly slightly larger than the fretted one, although I had it epoxy coated years ago.
 
@erratick I agree with everything you said. I was never that particular about all the various factors in decades of playing. This was a fun experiment in practical application of these metrics.

@BAG yes I measure the fingerboard just behind the 1st fret

@thehybrid90 I’m now considering all the various contributing factors- I think you’re right about the radius, but my AVRI feels thin and it’s the same radius. But the wider nut might contrast the thickness, and in other words the jazz nut neck isn’t scaled down in both width and thickness. The jazz bass also has a chunky U shape, so overall volume as mentioned above is definite factor. The AVRI is a slim C. Additionally the jazz neck has that relic worn off finish bare wood thing on the back of the neck, and it’s got some friction. It’s not as slick as a satin or gunstock type finish. It also just goes to show, don’t judge a bass by the numbers!
 
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Thank you for this. I always thought it a bit odd that manufacturers wouldn't post this. I had a couple explain to me, though, that although they have standard specs for these, they are "notional" in that it's not always an exact science. Even in an era of CNC machines there's a certain amount of human intervention needed to finish neck and that it may account for very minor variations.

My main bass right now is an Elrick Modern Vintage MVP4-62 (pictured in my avatar). I couldn't confirm it (my calipers were getting wonky on me) but I was told, for instance, that "[t]he neck thickness at the first fret is nominally 21.25mm (~.836) and nominally 25.25mm (~.994) at the 12th fret."

The other thing I've found is more of a difference in feel isn't just the nut width, but the profile--does it have more "shoulder"--like the difference between C, flat C, D, and U. My Fender Classic Series '70s Jazz Bass has the typical 1.5" nut width, but the neck feels huge because of the profile shape--it has a lot more shoulder than anything I've ever tried outside of a '51 Telecaster.
 
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I'll have to subtract the fret height from my measurements then...... which really shows how thin I like my necks. I just can't get comfortable with fat necks.

Yes and also under the strings obviously. On the 5’s I took off the B E and A strings to fit the jaws.

@Shoreline Gold I agree, but after doing this I guess neck shape, which is listed more, might be a bigger factor than overall thickness (to me). In the words of Jack Skelington, fascinating results…but what does it mean? :bassist: I guess add to my list of ideal neck factors….
 
I’m in a season where I recently acquired some new instruments- some basses and a caliper. So, I had some fun and took some measurements! I bought the basses with my neck preference in mind; I discovered I like thin profiles (but also I’m not too picky about string spacing). Up until now I’ve only formed opinions based on how they felt in my hands, and the measurements surprised me a bit too!

I’ll soapbox for a quick rant here- the 1st fret thickness is an important factor, but seems relatively hard to find- often not listed at all in the specs. Compared to the easy to find nut width almost never not listed. And the neck description is confusing- take Fender where the AVII 1960 P neck (0.79” @ 1st fret) is described as “substantial C” and the Nate Mendel is a “slim C” @ 0.89”. I digress, and this was a very revealing experiment for me with fascinating results that I did not expect.

Here’s my basses. I’m putting them in what I thought was slimmest to thickest based on feel alone.

This is a GWB-35 made in 2023. SR necks are legendary and this is the fastest neck I own. I thought it was the thinnest at around 3/4” but it’s my third thinnest at basically 0.81” (20.5mm)View attachment 5458259

The Callowhill is super slim, Tim had permission to make me his favorite neck, based off what he called “Fender’s Ibanez neck” which was the wide/flat P bass profile of the early 60s and basically what the AVRI 62 (and the Fullerton Reissue 62 before) were profiled from. But again I was wrong, it’s not the thinnest!! But I was correct that it was 0.790” thickness. (20.1mm)View attachment 5458278

I have a 2008 AVRI 62 which I naturally thought tied the Callowhill. I feels exactly the same, very comfortable and fast. But I was way off, it’s 0.813” (13/16”; 20.65mm)View attachment 5458279

My other super fast, race car impossible to not overplay bass, the MVP-5 (17.5mm spacing). Feels thin, but it’s actually the thickest!! Confirmation bias on my part? 0.846” thickness (21.5mm)View attachment 5458284

2023 American Professional II PV. The only other thing I got right was that I guessed this was my 5th (of 6) thickest. It’s based off the 1963 C profile. I know that when they went from the 1962 AVRI to the 1963 reissue P bass, the neck got chunkier. It’s not “chunky” to me, but a little fatter than the 62. 0.827” (21mm)View attachment 5458305

The last one was the real shocker. 2021 Custom Shop Journeyman Precision/Jazz. I bought this in my quest for the tiny neck based on what I discovered, which is that this was based on one of the smallest profiles, the early 60’s jazz U. (Even though the instrument itself is fashioned after a ‘65-70 style). The thing is, it feels a little chunky to me! I actually thought it was my fattest neck, but the results show that it is the thinnest! How can that be? 0.787” (20mm”) - or just a hair below View attachment 5458307
Seeing as you also had an Ibanez in this list, I would give props to that company for actually including these measurements on their website for each bass
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Amazing the work you did to make these numbers, RayJay, and Thank You.

For me, a neck either felt right or it didn't, and that covered a lot of ground and lots of different axes. Generally, I could never deal with fat necks, those cut-in-half round necks. I could never find a new 70's Fender back then that didn't feel like that.

I'm not too demanding about string spacing or a certain nut width, if I like it I'll play it. I do wish compound radius fingerboards were more common on basses.

I also always daydreamed a bass fingerboard like a classical guitar: Zero radius (flat) and zero flare up the neck, just a long, flat rectangle with frets. I wonder if that would work.
 
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Why would you not include the fret height in your measurement to compare necks? That’s what your hand actually feels. The same neck with mandolin frets is going to feel quite different than with jumbo super tall frets.
 
Why would you not include the fret height in your measurement to compare necks? That’s what your hand actually feels. The same neck with mandolin frets is going to feel quite different than with jumbo super tall frets.
I agree...... but it appears that Ibanez don't include the fret in their measurements.

As mentioned above, I like thin necks........ but I also like small frets. My Warmth has their smallest fret wire in it and if I had more money I was prepared to splash on my basses I'd get them all refretted with mandolin fret wire.
 
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Actual Measurements of my basses:
Bass Nut Width 1st Depth Shape
Inch mm Inch mm
1978 Fender Jazz 1.54 39.12 0.924 23.47 "U"
1973 Fender Precision 1.63 41.40 0.889 22.58 "U"
1991 HeartField Prophecy II 1.61 40.79 0.813 20.65 "C"
2000 Peavey Millennium Plus USA 1.58 40.01 0.789 20.04 "C"
Sire U5 1.54 39.04 0.836 21.23 "C"
Sire P7 1.50 38.10 0.851 21.62 "C"
 
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