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need a CAB for the BOTTOM of my rig

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by henryjurstin13, Sep 6, 2005.

  1. I have a Kustom 1200 & an Avatar 2x10 Kappa. I am looking for something to help push more air & carry the lows better. The main 2 cabs I have been looking at.... Avatar 2x12 Delta, and the 1x15 Kappa.

    I know the 1x15 would go deeper & get muddier... and possibly, more muffled at times. And the 2x12 would be a little punchier, and more defined.

    What else can anyone tell me about either of these setups to help me with my decision?? Or, possibly suggestion another cab in this same price range.

    I am not slapping too much... really, just a rumbler. Lower notes & play with a pick quite a bit. Very rumbly.

    thanks for the help... henry
  2. The 0x

    The 0x

    Aug 24, 2003
    Timonium, MD
    Technically, the 2x12 actually might go deeper than the 1x15.
  3. xb100


    Mar 24, 2004
    NH, In
    I'd go with another avatar 212.

    The 212 makes a better stand alone cab than a 1x15, and you could use to the 212 for the small medium gigs, and add the 210 you have already for the bigger gigs.

  4. remo


    Jan 15, 2005
    G'day.. I'd definitly add a the 212.. hang on a sec.. thats my rig!!


    its great.. on stage the 210 speaks at head level and has a good amount of growl and the 212 does a great job of filling out the lows without the flab assoc. with a 15.. I'm really happy with my setup.. the kustom would be a good head for these cabs because it puts a good amount of grunt into the cabs... also the 210 is easy to move around and mates up perfectly with the 210 on top... nice soild portable rig.. just stick some casters on the bottom of the 212..
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  6. maxxx


    Feb 9, 2005
    badunkadunk :D
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    currently playing through a mesa diesel 410 though because broke my 212 :(
  7. remo


    Jan 15, 2005

    you guy lovin' you 210x212 setups?
  8. Looks like 15's are finally a thing of the past?
  9. pickles

    pickles Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    On paper, this is true. Its also true on paper that many 4x10s go lower than a 1x15. However, in practice I've found that a high quality single 15" cab throws more low end farther into the room than a 4x10 or 2x12, and that the low end coming from that cab is focussed, supportive, and in the proper frequency zone to drive the band from the bottom.

    I'm using a Aguilar GS212 and GS410 together at the moment, and I like it a lot, tons of growl, definition, and punch, enough bottom end ... but having had an Eden D-115XLT previously with an otherwise simmilar rig, I can tell you that the 115 had much more of a "knock the paintings off the walls" effect. The 115 made my rig feel wider, it filled the room more, which I miss. I'd really like to pick up a GS115 at some point so I could have a choice.

    Either way, you can't go too far wrong. Good 15s are never muddy.
  10. Aenema


    Apr 18, 2001
    the 2x12s will move more air then a 15. however as pickles described the 2x12 arent as "room filling" as the 15. i the 15 will be smooth and round where the 12's will have a bit more "attack". it depends on what kinda vide youre after man.
  11. Looks like the 2x12 & 2x10 setup is quite common. Thanks everyone...

    I am about 75% sure I want to go with a 2x12 as opposed to the 1x15.... any last comments to help me make my decision?
  12. pickles

    pickles Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    I think a 1x15 would serve you better, based on the above. I'm not sure if the Avatar is a good one, but if you found a used Eden 115XLT or Aggie GS115, I think you'd be more than pleased with the tone. I think you'll be dissapointed by the bottom end on a 212 when grinding out low pitch pickstyle lines.

    Actually, based on what you said above, I'd probably consider something like an Eden or Mesa 2x15! :eek:
  13. Fred312b

    Fred312b Proof that gear doesn't make you a better player Supporting Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    Chicago, IL
    well, this is comparing apples and oranges, but i've got an swr son of bertha 1x15 and it's far from muddy (and not just because of the tweeter)- it's a good quality sound that reinforces and adds to my goliath 3 (4x10),and could be used alone as well. i agree with pickles about quality 15" speakers filling the room as well. i have no experience with 12" speakers or avatars though, so take from this what you will... :bassist:
  14. I have both the B212 and the B115 and I can assure you that the B115 will support the lows for your 2x10 better than the B212. The B212 is a better standalone cab but the B115 fills the room with lows better. I have gigged with the B115 by itself and it worked but it sounds much better with the high end support of a cab like your 2x10. I wouldn't call either cab muddy.
  15. I've got a Yorkville 115 and it's not at all muddy. It's got a tweeter, but I've usually got it right off. On it's own I like it. With my 410 it's ridiculous.
  16. Well, in response to Pickle's "2x15" comment... for the last few weeks I have been using a Carvin 2x15 PA speaker!!! :eek: Actually.... it isn't THAT bad. Sure, it isn't a bass cab.. but, it got me through some gigs. And, I would like to have a 2x15 - but, I can't seem to find an affordable one that can be EASILY handled by one person. I am not talking about a 1x12 'grab & go' cab... but, something that is semi-portable.

    Is there a moderately priced 2x15 that can be carried by 1 person?
  17. David Vega

    David Vega

    Aug 28, 2002
    Puerto Rico
    nice set up!! This almost the same that I am planning to have!!but I already have the SR5!!
  18. pickles

    pickles Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    2x15s (like 8x10s) are for guys that like big sound, and have loyal friends with strong backs. :bassist: Single 15s are much more managable.
  19. xring


    Sep 16, 2003
    I have to throw in my support for the 212 / 210 combo. I run both Delta cabs with the Ampeg B4R. I have to EQ in order to tame the bottom. The rig goes waaay low - and loud. I don't think it's lacking in the lower register at all. I just use the 212 in church. You've got to remember that when the bottom is "just enough" from you vantage point on stage, you're probably moving intestines in the corners. :D
  20. Quadzilla

    Quadzilla Supporting Member

    I'm tossing in another vote for the 2x12 (or even a 1x12 for portability). I had the 1x15 and while it went low, it was also a bit slow and less defined. I prefer the 12's by a long shot!