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need help matching 400 watt amp with a cab or two that can handle its full volume

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by dcmak5, Feb 5, 2016.


  1. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    I've been using a Hartke HA4000 through a friends 4ohm Ampeg 8x10 which has handled it perfectly. I'm not sure what speakers are in it, but I assume they're assorted.

    I own a 1x15 loaded with a Peavey Black Widow that I've been wanting to pair with something so I don't have to use my friends cab. I purchased a Peavey Headliner (rated at 1000 watts) at a pawn shop and when I tried it out with the Hartke and 1x15.

    not only was the 1x15 overtly louder than the 4x10, but one or more of the speakers in the 4x10 was distorting with a loud sharp pop (sounded like it was blown or on the verge of it) just about when the volume knob reached 7. The Black Widow 1x15 had a similar popping when the volume was around 8.5
    The Ampeg 8x10 stayed clean even when I had the volume at 9...

    I was able to return the Peavey 4x10, although because the noise only happened high volume and the salesman didn't want to turn the 200 watt amp he tested it out with up after a point, he argued that there was nothing wrong with the speakers. he may have been right, because it definitely sounded fine at a reasonably loud volume, I just didn't want to get locked into owning something I couldn't use

    please help, I'm open to all suggestions. I guess an Ampeg 8x10 is the obvious choice, but I'd like to know all my options.
    either a single 4 ohm cab that can handle the volume or two 8 ohm ones
    the latter is slightly more ideal for hauling this stuff around, but not a dealbreaker
     
  2. What you were hearing is the voice coil former slamming into the back of the speaker's motor assembly. It damages speakers immediately, continuing to do so will "blow" them. Why are looking to get that loud? Will you be playing stadiums without PA systems or for the deaf that need to feel strong vibrations. Why are you trying to ruin other peoples or your speaker cabs?
     
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  3. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    What's your budget, your tonal goals, your location, and your SPL requirement?
     
  4. Keep in mind also that virtually no amp head will "stay clean" with the volume cranked all the way.
     
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  5. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    We choose to play loud... I feel no need to defend it.
    Thanks for the info about the voice coil, I assumed it was something along those lines so I only tested them briefly. about ruining other peoples cabs, 8x10 cab I was using belongs to a friend who uses it for both bass and guitar in several other equally loud (if not more loud) bands and it sounds clean
    I would like to avoid the traditional Ampeg 8x10 that needs a built in dolly just to manage getting it around, but if that's the only thing that's going to hold up what else can I do?


    my tonal goals are basically just clean headroom. I like a normal amount of low end, a decent amount of midrange and slightly rolled off highs. I play with a pick and use a mute at the bridge. I also occasionally use a fuzz if any of that helps with what I might need in a cab. as far as my budget ideally I'd like to spend no more than 2-300 per cab or no more than 600 for a single cab. I tend to shop via cragislist, the friend found his 8x10 on there for $120...
    and sorry, what's an SPL requirement?
     
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  6. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    I know, but I played this Hartke through the Ampeg 8x10 and aside from a slight amount of breakup from the amp the speakers sounded clean. no voice coil slamming
    I haven't been using them with full volume, but around 9 on the volume knob. I only mentioned the speaker handling the amps full volume because I want something strong enough that it can handle the volume I've been playing at without suffering any damage
     
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  7. You have the option of two 410's or maybe more to your liking a greenboy dually or fEARful 1515/66.
     
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  8. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    What kind of 4x10s would you recommend?

    Thanks btw
     
  9. MrLenny1

    MrLenny1

    Jan 17, 2009
    N.H.
    Whatever you get buy some ear plugs.
     
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  10. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    Already got em, lol
     
  11. It's all about budget and weight from here. Stay away from the off brand cheap cabs. Ampeg SVT/PF/PN series, G-K NEO/CX/RBH/SBX Plus if you see any, Fender, Mesa, GenzBenz, Mesa, Peavey, it's a long list. What are you carry weight and budget needs?
     
  12. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    I was rather shocked that the Peavey 4x10 rated at 1000 watts would have voice coil noise from a 400 watt amp..

    Ideally i would pay no more than 600 for a single cab or 2-300 a piece for two, but don't mind going a little higher.

    I can transport an 8x10 or something of a similar size, and carrying stuff isn't an issue. I can use a dolly or cart if i need
     
  13. What leads you to the conclusion that the speakers in the 8x10 are assorted, when you say you don't know what is in it? If an 8 X 10 makes you happy then get an 8 X 10.
     
  14. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    The owner replaced a few speakers when he got it. From what I remember he said they were a different brand than the stock speakers and may have said there was 1 or two of a third brand. Whatever he named was something standard and popular, but idk what brand.

    The 8x10 has the clean headroom I need, but if possible having something a bit more portable would be nice. That's why I was trying the peavey 1x15/4x10 stack. I'm still shocked it didn't hold up. I thought Black Widow speakers were made for that kind of volume
     
  15. To go with a 1x15? NONE!! it’s seen every where but in reality it’s a horrible combination.
     
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  16. Thanks for clarifying.
    How about a matching pair of 4 X 10's @ 8 ohms per cab?
    Somewhat like an 8 X 10 and easier to haul around.
    You get 4 ohms with both cabs and if you don't need the full stack just use one of the 4 X.
     
  17. hintz

    hintz

    Jun 5, 2014
    wahiawa, HI(Oahu)
    Your friend found an 8x10 for $120??!! Damn, thats a steal of a price, almost unheard of!!! Since your on low budget, maybe offer a little more for his, like $300-400, especially since you dig that sound....

    If you had more of a budget id recommend something smaller and more powerful like a fEARful or Barefaced, but I've played through plenty of 4x10's that were plenty powerful...
     
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  18. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    My main issue is what brands of cabs or speakers would hold up? The peavey 4x10 i had that was rated at 1000 watts had the voice coil slamming... same with the 1x15 black widow although idk its wattage rating
     
  19. dcmak5

    dcmak5

    Feb 5, 2016
    He would never sell it lol, plus he uses it too much in other bands.
    Also, i'm not beyond scrounging and saving for something a bit more nice like a fearful, especially since I have access to the ampeg 8x10
     
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  20. hintz

    hintz

    Jun 5, 2014
    wahiawa, HI(Oahu)
    And I see you just joined yesterday, so welcome!!:)

    Depending on your location, you may/may not have access to many guitar stores(I'm not so fortunate at the moment), if you do I'd say bring your amp with and try as many as possible and keep an open mind about brands, you might be surprised!!

    And dont be surprised if you catch flack for the whole mixed drivers idea, I never heard that this was a bad idea until I joined here! I've done this a few times with mixed results, and usually out of necessity as it was selling their rig all together or not at all(like my 2x10/1x15 Hartke cabs off CL)....from my limited understanding,an example of mixing drivers being bad can be a 4x10/1x15, the 15 is working harder that the 4x10 and therefore can blow easier, at least that's my simplified explanation of it...so in theory a 2x10/1x15 *can* work better, at least in theory!! I currently run my Hartkes bi-amped from my GK 800RB, however biamped, each has its own volume and both cabs are close in wattage capabilities....) WP_20151004_17_53_38_Pro.
    Ideally,id have say 2 separate 15's, *but* the seller wouldn't split them up and I needed a rig!!;). There is science behind all of the cons of mixed drivers(which I'm not qualified to speak of), but I'm guilty of having the 4x10/1x15 setup a few times in the past...just don't fall for the 15"s have more bass, 10"s have more treble BS, jts not true!!
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2016

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