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need help on a decision: ampeg svt classic 6x10 made in USA for a 4x10 made in CHINA

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by andbaggio, Aug 21, 2018.


  1. andbaggio

    andbaggio

    Dec 16, 2011
    Treviso, Italy
    I'm about to make a switch of cabinet. I have an Ampeg SVT Classic 610 HLF made in USA. I bought it in 2014. I'm about to switch it with a new Ampeg SVT Classic 410 HLF made in China bought in january 2018.

    Should I do the switch? The guy is basically giving me the 410 for my 610.

    What the main difference from an old made in USA to a new made in China. Please help me out deciding if I should do the switch or not. I'm making the switch just because the 610 is too big in size. Thank you
     
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Love the 610hlf, but I think the Chinese ones are better than the USA ones. Less muddy. I'd do it.
     
  3. andbaggio

    andbaggio

    Dec 16, 2011
    Treviso, Italy
    I love my 610 HLF. I'm switching it because it's too big and it's a pain in the ass bringing it around. You say that the Chinese are less muddy. Good to know. Then maybe I'm doing a good thing making the switch.
     
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  4. JimmyM

    JimmyM

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Ya, some people bag on the Chinese cabs just because they're Chinese, but LOUD greatly improved the cabs IMHO by using plywood instead of OSB, and using better sounding speakers. SLM had a problem with muddy speakers from 2000-06 due to a change in Eminence cone suppliers.
     
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  5. jdubbass38

    jdubbass38

    Mar 20, 2009
    Jimmy’s right....

    I have both the SLM and Loud era 610hlf cabs. The Loud (Chinese) definitely is more mid driven and less “mud”; that said their both great cabs.
     
  6. Bass 45

    Bass 45 Supporting Member

    Jun 23, 2011
    Tempe, Arizona
    The 410HLF may sound better to you - but you probably won't think it is easier to move around.
     
  7. andbaggio

    andbaggio

    Dec 16, 2011
    Treviso, Italy
    What do you mean? The 410 is 10 inches smaller than the 610, it has to be easier to move around
     
  8. jdubbass38

    jdubbass38

    Mar 20, 2009
    I agree...both my 810 and 610s are far easier to move then when I had smaller 410, 212, 115...ex. 810 and 610 just tilt back and roll, easy to slide into a car. Smaller cabs your lifting and carrying. I’ve messed up my back more times wile using smaller cabs (carying) then my larger cabs.
     
  9. JimmyM

    JimmyM

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    The one caveat to the bigger cabs being easier to move around is if you have to do a lot of deadlifting. Otherwise I agree with the others. Still, I don't find them that much harder to get around with.
     
  10. Lobster11

    Lobster11 Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    If you want to downsize from the 6x10, another option you might want to consider is a pair of (matching) 2x10s. The 1x4 vertical stack has some nice advantages over a 4x10 box, and many folks find it easier to move and store two smaller cabinets instead of one larger one.
     
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  11. RockDoc

    RockDoc

    Jan 5, 2007
    Or, instead of trading, sell the 610, and buy a made-in-USA (if that's a concern) Ampeg Heritage 410hlf; it apparently weighs a bit less than the standard (MIC) version.
     
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  12. JimmyM

    JimmyM

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Sounds better too, but those 410hlf cabs have a huge low end that some people love and some people don't. I'd say if he's used to the low end of 610hlf, go with the 410 he. But then again I could be wrong about that. He might try the 410hlf and love it. But for an extra hundy, the Heritage would be a no-brainer for me. But then again, the guy he's thinking about swapping with doesn't have one... LOL
     
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  13. Bass 45

    Bass 45 Supporting Member

    Jun 23, 2011
    Tempe, Arizona
    I didn't like moving mine around because I had to bend over while rolling it - I prefer to have four wheels down on shorter speaker cabs. I ended up making a four wheeled flat cart to use with mine.
     
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  14. Hounddog

    Hounddog Supporting Member

    Dec 2, 2004
    Southern, Illinois
    Sadowsky Featured Artist
    Buy a USA made 4x10. That way everyone wins.
     
  15. Tim Skaggs

    Tim Skaggs

    Sep 28, 2002
    I have to reiterate Jimmy's point about the 410 hlf cabs being so low end-centric. I finally got rid of mine because of that very reason. Along with all that low end was major lack of mids, but mine was also built back in '11 or '12, so the '17 made-in-China model may be a lot more balanced.
     
  16. RadioactiveGuy4

    RadioactiveGuy4 Supporting Member

    Feb 24, 2011
    New Orleans
    I will +1 all the folks saying the 610 is actually easier to move then the 410. Even if both cabs have caster its still easier for me to move around my 610. Its taller which means I don't have to bend over to push it around and I can tip it over and slide it into my car rather then dead lift the 410.

    If you make the switch do it for the improvement in sound because you might not find a improvement in moving the 410 vs the 610
     
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  17. baxter_x

    baxter_x

    Nov 27, 2013
    EU
    I'd keep the 610. To me it's one of the best cabs you can find. Compact, powerful, tons of lows, clean, modern.....
    The only thing Ampeg must do about it is make a NEO version. That would be IMO one of the best cab on the planet.
     
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  18. crguti

    crguti

    Feb 14, 2011
    Smurf Village
    I won’t
     
  19. andbaggio

    andbaggio

    Dec 16, 2011
    Treviso, Italy
    Well, in the end I didn't make the switch with the guy. He didn't even try it out. The day after he took it home he called me asking me if he could bring it back. It didn't have enough bass for his taste....

    Lucky me because I realized the 610 is better than the 410 for my taste. Loved it when I did rehearsal the other night. Getting ready for the gig on Sunday. I'm gonna be a happy bass player Sunday night. Love my 610, the only "problem" is that it's a little too big to fit easily in the car. I'll change car at this point...
     
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  20. JimmyM

    JimmyM

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    People used to that 410hlf low end whomp do have a problem with not having it in other cabs. And those of us used to low end response like the 810e and 610hlf have a problem with having that whomp. I guess that's why they make both :D
     

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