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Need Opinions on getting a rig

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by incubass68, Jun 26, 2003.


  1. incubass68

    incubass68

    Jun 21, 2003
    el paso, tx
    Hi there, as I'm sure you all know I'm fairly new to this site. I know you just did the Amp buyer's guide but that only answered so many of my questions. Right now I have been using a Peavey Mark III head with a 1x18 Peavey BW. I am almost done paying off my Warrior 5-string :D and am looking for suggestions on getting a versatile full stack that can be broken down to a half for smaller venues. Right now I am thinking about getting a guy's SWR 12 STACK (4x12 800watts R.M.S 8ohms) for $400 and some sort of 4x10 with a tweeter (maybe a new Avatar, I've been hearing good things about them, plus that BP review really helped). For the head I am looking at Eden WT-550, Genz-Benz GBE600, or Peavey Pro500. I am open to any and all suggestions but please keep in mind that I am a high school student so I need a versatile not too expensive setup. I play jazz,funk,rock,metal,and yes...pop:bawl:
    But hey Whatever pays the bills right?:bassist:
     
  2. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    im guessing you like incubus by your name, so go with eden, thats what dirk uses. on the pardon me video he has a stacj of a 1x15 and 2 4x10s, hope that helps
     
  3. incubass68

    incubass68

    Jun 21, 2003
    el paso, tx
    Yes, Incubus is my favorite band. But, Dirk (ALEX) does not have my favorite tone. Dave Labruyere has an amazing tone but it wouldn't be versatile enough for me I'm afraid. More than copying a specific sound I would like to get a jack of all trades. I am mostly in to the funky lines though. :bassist: Some say I'm Slap-Happy. What do you guys think about my plans (GENZBENZ GBE600, SWR 4x12,AVATAR 4x10)?
     
  4. Chap

    Chap

    May 27, 2002
    Reno, NV
    4X12 and then 4X10, that will be one massive rig, the wife will like to sit atop that amp with all the vibrations put through the walls. I've never seen an SWR 4X12 rig before... am I weird or is it rare?
     
  5. I wouldnt suggest a 4x12 if you want something to break apart. It'll be uneven with a 4x10 I'd think. I'd suggest a 2x12, it'll be just as loud as a 4x10 and gt a 4x10 too. Jack of all trades? Get different brands. I'd suggest a 2x12 or a 1x15 for your bottom cab, but not a 4x12, if you really need that much volume go for it, but it'll be a tough haul I'd think. For a bottom end cab get a brand that makes really deep lowend bass like say, Mesa Boogie or whatever (I'm not the guy to be listening to, my rig consists of hartke and avatar:D) and a 4x10 like a hartke XL410 at the top. I dunno. People with better rigs than me can tell you better, the most expensive piece of gear I've ever played through was probably the hartke XL410.:bawl:
     
  6. incubass68

    incubass68

    Jun 21, 2003
    el paso, tx
    See where everybody else worries about weight and size, I don't have to. I'm an offensive linemen. For me weight is no problem I just worry about how good it sounds. But you're saying that you don't think a 4x12 and a 4x10 would sound good together?:bassist:
     
  7. No, Im basically saying a lot of people say a 2x12; despite less speakers, can push more air than a 4x10. I think the balance between the two cabs might be a little off, but that's what I think and I have no experience with that type of setup to back it up...
     
  8. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    opk, sorry for that quick reply earlier. i you want something more versatile then go with a Carvin R1000. That along wioth the SWR 4x12 would be good, and adding a 4x10, well, that would be a very great sounding rig.

    1. The carvin is very versatile and reliable, you can get millions of tones from it. and it wont break your wallet.

    2. i havent heard anything good about the SWR 4x12, i have only heard bad things, but Godsmacks bassist Robbie uses a few stacks of them so they cant be that bad.

    3. if size really doesnt matter to you (cabinet i mean:D ) then go with an ampeg 8x10. very versatile as well.
     
  9. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    ok forget the 8x10 idea, you mentioned splitting the cabs for smalll venues.

    im not too sure about cabs, i havent tried too many. try goping to your guitar center or local music shop and trying out lots and lots of options and see what you like.
     
  10. incubass68

    incubass68

    Jun 21, 2003
    el paso, tx
    I wish I had a local guitar center, hell even a local music shop that was worth anything. The best we got carries Peavey,Fender,Ampeg combos (1 8x10 and SVT CLfor when we get concerts) nobody gets to try that setup out though. Oh yeah almost forgot, ibanez amps as well.:bawl:
     
  11. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    i hear you about that man. i guess were all you got!
     
  12. incubass68

    incubass68

    Jun 21, 2003
    el paso, tx
    Yeah, most of the stuff I get by word of mouth. I then order it and so far so good. My Warrior is almost paid off and I've never played one. But JD (the owner) said if I don't like it send it back and he'll help me get one specifically for me. One idea I just came up with is to get a Demeter Pre-amp (the 201 $640 shipped) and a Nady Power amp (450x2 @ 4 ohms for $200). You guys think that will sound good coming through the SWR 4x12 and the avatar 4x10?
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  13. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    i think the separate power/pre amps is a goood way to go, but dont get nady, they suck. get something good, like a qsc, carvin, or crown.
     
  14. incubass68

    incubass68

    Jun 21, 2003
    el paso, tx
    What would recommend as being the cheapest ok power amp?
     
  15. adamaarts

    adamaarts Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Corona, CA
    Beta tester Source Audio, demos/reviews of many others
    i think the separate power/pre amps is a goood way to go, but dont get nady, they suck. get something good, like a qsc, carvin, or crown.
     
  16. wiggleworm

    wiggleworm

    May 29, 2003
    Hey Rick,

    My advice is to spend more than $200 on a power amp... I am running 800 watts into one 15. I think you'd be disapointed with only 900w into a 412 and a 410. Nothing sucks more than buying a nice bass, nice preamp and a nice cab and then when you try to crank it up your power amp farts out.
     
  17. wiggleworm

    wiggleworm

    May 29, 2003
    ps I am using a QSC RMX850 into an Avatar B15. That's 800watts of power amp into a speaker rated 600 watts. I just checked the Avatar website and the 410 is rated 1400 watts... so I would recommend at least that much. You don't need to turn the amp up all the way, but having extra power prevents nasty clipping and distortion. I tried using a 400 watt power amp with the same cabinet and it wasn't even close to loud enough, plus every time I played a low note it sounded horrible.

    ww