For the first time in 40 years, both the bands that I've settled into use rented PA/soundmen. There's not too much of a variety (2 different guys) in one band but the second band we've had 5 different people. With band 2 (five different sound men and sound companies), I really haven't had any issue....these guys are scramblin' just to get set up on time!!!. They don't even bother putting me into the PA if I can get enough stage volume without blowing out the other bandmembers eardrums. With band 1, a 9 to 12 piece depending on the gig, there's 3 to 5 people singing lead and backup, a couple horns, keys, guitar, bass and drums. I'm very "used" to playing in this sized band with similar instrumentation and vocal strength...it's just that I've never gone through the PA before. I have a really "good" or maybe a better word is "accurate" opinion/idea of how loud to play....it's based on the idea that we're not trying to totally fill the room with the band's music but are trying to get a really strong, punchy tone onto and immediately surrounding the dancefloor. Understand so far, right....here's the issue. I have/use over $5,000.00 worth of bass, amp, graphic, speakers, heavy duty cords, etc. on every gig. I don't share my equipment with anyone. My eq's are eq'd to optimize the tone I want outta my rig. Now along comes soundmen A and B let's call them, both who have nice PA's, but not huge ones....mackie powered full range cabs with yamaha? subwoofers and Bag end PA with ELF and subwoofers. They both have great monitor systems...for vocals or instruments other than bass. They both choose to take a direct signal from my bass before my graphic and my amp. Both their opinions are: your amp is your personal monitor...get it sounding how loud and tone wise you want just so you can hear yourself on stage and let me worry about how you sound out in the room!! Please understand....there are 15 channels of other instruments and vocals coming outta these PA speakers. Each channel on the board has either 3 or 4 tone controls...I think it's three. I don't have my own graphic There's one for the vocals, one for the instruments on the mains and then two for the monitors. These PA's are not 20,000 watt multirefrigerator size cab hulks. They're very compact and probably, volumewise have about as much strain on them as they can handle without trying to add a lotta bass to the PA. Their former bass player has a Traynor Block 150 or something totally archaic. It sounds like crap, it's what they're used to from a soundtech point of view. I really like this band and I would hate to not end up with the gig permanently because of having a tift with their well established soundpeople who are generally "nice guys". I usually am considered pretty even keeled, but I'm not ready to relinquish control over my sound....I want them to mic my bass, set the channel flat to start, and just add a touch of me in the mix. I have plenty of on stage volume to handle most of the rooms we play, based on optimizing sound on stage and on and near the dancefloor. I feel there's no way that a medium sized PA can do anywhere near as good a job as my rig getting me sounding and volumewise to where I know things should be. How do I convince these gentlemen without offending them or causing political issues within the band? Yak yak yak. Go Tribe.