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neo 210 to sound like beta 15 b15n?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by MattZilla, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. Dec 17, 2014 #1
    MattZilla

    MattZilla

    Jun 26, 2013
    CNY
    Hey all, so I've been on the fence for a while with passing on my fliptop to someone else in favor of something with a master vol, more volume, has the warm/dark tone and will fit in the back of my bmw e36 so I can get rid of my truck. I've tried it loaded with a d140, but find it too thin and crispy sounding compared to the original squareback and the current beta 15a. A friend has a reverberocket r that needs work which I'm considering chopping into a head, primarily because I've never heard an open-back bass amp that I liked, secondarily because my bones are getting too old for even that whole thing as it sits. So, two questions I guess- is there such thing as a 12" neo that, in an open guit box, will sound close to as nice as my fliptop? What 210 will do the job better? Thanks much in advance!
     
  2. Dec 17, 2014 #2
    CL400Peavey

    CL400Peavey

    Nov 7, 2011
    Grand Rapids Michigan
    No.
    A 210 isnt going to be smaller/lighter than your flip top really.

    Have you checked out Ampegs new PF line? A PF-350/500/800 and a PF-115 could meet your needs.
     
  3. Dec 17, 2014 #3
    AstroSonic

    AstroSonic

    Dec 10, 2009
    rural New Mexico
    It is possible to get good bass tone at small venue spy's from an open back cab, but the cab must be relatively large, and must contain more than one 15 inch driver. The driver used must have a Fs in the 50-60 Hz range, have a 4+ mm Xmax, and must have a Qts in the 1.2 - 1.5 range. Much better to use your Beta 15A in a 3 cf closed box of modern, well braced, light weight design. You could even incorporate the flip top amp.
     
  4. Dec 17, 2014 #4
    MattZilla

    MattZilla

    Jun 26, 2013
    CNY
    cf=cubic feet? I haven't tried yet, assuming the b15, while small enough to be in the trunk, may not fit through the entrance to it due to its depth. But on the event that it does not fit, would a thin-shaped cab of the same cf, materials and same-ish port maintain "the tone" respectably?

    Also, is there a lighter speaker with the same sonic characteristics
     
  5. Dec 17, 2014 #5
    AstroSonic

    AstroSonic

    Dec 10, 2009
    rural New Mexico
    An enclosure with the same internal volume and porting, and with the same (or a very similar driver) would sound essentially the same. It could be made light weight and well braced. There are a few drivers that might meet your tone goals, although they would probably need different cab tuning. I've never had the opportunity to measure the TS parameters of the original B15N driver, but I'm sure that someone here has, and also knows the cabs tuning frequency.