I'm in the market for a new pre and have been shopping around for good prices on the Aguilar DB 659 and the Demeter VTBP-201S. I just got word today from a retailer and confirmed it with Aguilar that the new "retail" for the DB 659 is going up to $1250! Yeeeeeouch!! I was seriously thinking about the 659 but the Demeter is looking better by the moment. I know there are dealers out there that will be selling what they have in stock for a decent price but future buyers be prepared! Aguilar just went off the scale! That's some serious cash! I've also seen a lot of folks selling off their Demeters and looking for the 659s. I've read every post about both and just wondered if anybody had a fresh update on their experiences with these two or the HBP-1. Thanks.