New Band, Sounds Great One and a Half Problems!

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by eb3mike, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. eb3mike


    Nov 5, 2010
    Former Southern Rock/Blues cover band explodes after one year and one gig. First audition is with a mix of band members from other groups in the area. We play 15 songs all the way through several times and four hours go by before we know it.
    The first problem is smoking. They all smoke (I don't) and several light up inside. The half problem... rehearsal space has a refrig stocked with beer. Several members go through 4-5 during the four hours and the lead player, (youngest of the group) is buzzed by the time we stop. It's half a problem because I'm a social drinker and have no problem with responsible drinking.
    The sound was outstanding. The drummer and I sounded like we'd been together for years. The singer/rhythm player is incredible and a great frontman. The lead player is outstanding. We actually had neighbors stopping over and had a group of 10 or so listening for several hours.
    First thing my wife said when I came in the door... ("smokers"?)... due to the smell.
    I don't understand how a decent singer can justify smoking. Their voice is their instrument.

    Not sure what I'm going to say at next rehearsal this Thursday.
  2. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    What is wrong with him smoking? You don't like the smell so you refuse to play with them? Get off your high horse. Do I quit a band because somebody stinks like onions or farts all the time? Nope, people have quirks, deal with it.

    If your concerned about your health, do some reading. Second hand smoke doesn't actually kill people just so you know.
  3. jmac


    May 23, 2007
    Lancaster, Pa
    Ha, do you work for Philip Morris?

    To OP, regardless of the reasons...if it's an uncomfortable environment for you then you shouldn't place yourself in that environment.
  4. guroove


    Oct 13, 2009
    Buffalo, NY
    I ask people to smoke outside, even if it isn't my house. I don't care if people think I'm a dick. The smell gives me a headache.
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  5. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    No, I just don't care for fascism...

    Smoking in somewhere you shouldn't is the dick move, I am not saying smoke in somebody else front room and blow it in their kids face....

    I am a smoker and I never light a smoke in front of a non-smoker without asking if they don't mind, unless we are outside or in a well ventilated area.
  6. eb3mike


    Nov 5, 2010
    LOL... Thanks. I'll let you know when I decide to stop playing with them. My health is just fine and I've done the reading and agree that second hand smoke is not has harmful as as the smoke nazi's want you to believe. I don't think your friends farts and onion breath follows you home though, but I could be wrong.
  7. guroove


    Oct 13, 2009
    Buffalo, NY
    Just ask people nicely before they light up. If they give you crap about it, ask them if their fish would mind you pissing in the fish tank.
  8. lethargytartare


    Sep 7, 2004
    Well, don't view it as a problem, view it as the price of admission. I hate it too -- nothing like going to rehearsal and then having to go home and wash everything, including my coat, having to leave my shoes out on the porch, to get rid of that stench. The things we endure for rock.

    You can also ask if guys will take their breaks outside of the rehearsal space. Don't make it a pissing contest/ultimatum. They might value the band chemistry enough to work with you. In the alternate, you can also ask them not to smoke during songs, so YOU can leave during breaks while they smoke...the room will still stink, but it gives you a chance to get out of breathing the fumes...which sucks.

    Your opinion is contrary to all of the cancer organizations I've read, so you might need to freshen up the reading you've done.

    Secondhand Smoke
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  9. If you don't like second-hand smoke, for whatever reason (smell, health concerns, whatever), you better make up your mind right now whether or not this is something you can handle on a regular basis before you commit any more time or energy into this project. Four or five other guys lighting up in a small space creates quite a haze. It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Maybe others think you should eat dog turds because it's really not that bad. The queston is, what do YOU think?

    And buzzed bandmates is obviously another cause for a pause.

    No matter what side of the fence you fall on these issues, they are definitely controversial, and for good reasons. Laws get passed over this stuff. Don't let anyone try to minimize it; your concern is justified. The fact you brought it up here shows you think it's important.

    Think it over, go with your gut.
  10. lethargytartare


    Sep 7, 2004
    Dude, "fascism," seriously? If cig smoke didn't float all over the place, it'd be a different story. If I spray someone with mace, it's a crime (battery). Blow a carcinogen in someone's face and it's freedom.

    I respect that you're considerate of others when you smoke -- I've had decades of far less considerate smoking friends...
  11. Ben Noblit

    Ben Noblit Supporting Member

    Dec 28, 2009
    Ultimately, its a personal decision. I won't practice in a confined space with people smoking, because I like my lungs, and I hate the way that anything (read: my bass and amp) exposed to heavy cigarette smoke starts stinking.

    Deal-breaker for me.
  12. skychief


    Apr 27, 2011
    South Bay
    Smokers are second-class citizens. Everybody knows that. Its okay to look down your nose at them. Its a nasty, stinky habit and should be banned in all public places!

    ( i smoke also...this is what my wife tells me ^ ^ )
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  13. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000
    The getting buzzed by the end of the rehearsal would be a red flag for me. Smoking? Smoking in doors would be annoying, but finding a band in which nobody smokes is like finding a fish without scales.
  14. eb3mike


    Nov 5, 2010
    With tongue in cheek I'm sure. I'm somewhat of a libertarian and while I can be concerned with what someone wants to do to their body, especially someone I care about, in the end... it's their body.
    For now and as long as I can stand it I'm staying cause it sounds good and everyone seemed excited. Together again this Thursday.
  15. The drummer and guitar player I play with smoke, but they do it outside (we practice in a garage) so it's easier to deal with. I still get a headache sometimes, but it's not all that often.

    I get headaches from cigarette smoke, so I just try and stand down wind. If they smoked in the practice space I think I'd have to quit because I couldn't deal with the headaches and I don't like smelling like a nasty ash tray.

  16. Thats a tough one, I played with a bunch of guys in a great little rehearsal space one time 3 years ago with all the other players smoking the whole time. I had just quit smoking at the time & found the constant smoke annoying & tempting at the same time. If I hadnt just quit smoking at the time I would have stuck it out possibly. In the end the drummer was not the best & I didn't want to ask them to stop smoking during rehearsal as I never want to become one of those typical ahole ex smokers who treat smokers like doo doo.
  17. iriegnome

    iriegnome Bassstar style Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Kenosha, WI 53140
    I am a non-smoker. Never once, I have not even tried it. Every person in my band smokes in one form or another. Most are pretty understanding towards me, the others, I make it a point to stay away from. I think it is a give and take and if you really feel that strongly about it, bail. If you are just getting started and are all ready flustered by their behavior, what is going to happen once you really get to know them??
  18. notverygood

    notverygood Guest

    Feb 11, 2010
    I would put up with it. A large portion of posts in this forum are from people who have unskilled or otherwise poor musicians in their band. You should try talking to them of course, but the chances of finding a band like the one you've just described that doesn't drink while playing and has no smokers is not very likely.
  19. travhop42


    Dec 21, 2010
    I wouldn't put up with the smoke. No more than a bunch of guys would put up with me crapping in the floor.
  20. eb3mike


    Nov 5, 2010
    Actually this group might not have a problem with that. just kidding

    The sound is just to good now to leave. I know none of them personally as I answered a CL add, so I'll give it a while to see how the personalities work out.
    Thanks to all for the input.