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New Barefaced Generation 3 cabs announced

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by mudpup, Sep 27, 2013.


  1. Have now been officially announced in the UK. New versions of some old favourites with a new bespoke speaker design and hardware improvements.

    Heres an image of the Gen 1 Big One alongside a new Gen 3 Big Baby 2. This is the rig i will be running when my BB2 arrives along with a Gallien Krueger MB500 Fusion.

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    Check the Barefaced Facebook page for updates and the pricing is now on the Barefaced website.
     
  2. falconspatriots

    falconspatriots Oh Word

    May 3, 2011
    connecticut
    Very nice!!! I really liked my Compact for the short time I had it. That BB2 looks SO GOOD and small!!! If the wait time wasn't so crazy I'd be all over this.
     
  3. Yup, cant wait to receive my BB2!
     
  4. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    That prototype Big One was a bit louder with equal settings but they max out at remarkably similar SPL with the bottom tighter and more controlled with the BB2.

    Every detail of the Generation Three cabs has been considered to make them as time efficient to produce as possible (without compromising performance) so I'm hopeful the wait will go from crazy to reasonable to nothing.
     
  5. sratas

    sratas

    Dec 15, 2007
    Parma, Italy
    Hi Alex, as I said you in a recent e-mail contact, I'm ready to pull the trigger on a BB2, but right now!
    Only two questions before entering the Barefaced site and hitting the "buy now" button (I was waiting this moment for a while...but the old BB design wasn't the ideal for me).

    1) How long it will take to have my BB2 built and shipped to my door? I'm ready to wait, only curious and prepare my wait
    2) how many handles has the BB2? One on one side or two? I guess it has one, no problem with a 13 Kg cab
    3) since the website has no picture of the BB2, only a drawing, the design is already definitive and complete or you have to test prototypes for a while? (this will affect waiting time).

    Thanks!!!

    Mariano



     
  6. sratas

    sratas

    Dec 15, 2007
    Parma, Italy
    No way...I'm so thrilled about the Big Baby 2 I could not wait...just placed a deposit on the Barefaced site....
     
  7. B'Boom

    B'Boom

    Feb 6, 2010
    France
    I wait for the delivery of the Retro 215 yet. It must be already delivered one month ago :crying:.
     
  8. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Probably December for current orders.

    This has been a contentious point! I was pushing for two, but the other two thirds of the Barefaced team both only wanted one. I took the pre-production cab to a bass bash in the UK, asked everyone I could and the view was about 40% saying one handle, 40% saying two handles, and 20% suggesting something else entirely! I must admit, my original two handles idea was somewhat connected to earlier prototypes having ferrite drivers and thus being a lot heavier.

    So unless something strange happens we're going to stick with one handle as it looks better, won't get scuffed as a second handle on the foot side would, won't get in the way of a small head as a second handle on the top would, and, as you say, the cab is very very light.

    The design is done - the cab pictured is our pre-production demo model, which we used for checking that our tolerances on the CNC machine are correct and the cab assembles well - which usually involves fractional dimensional changes to compensate for backlash/flex in the machine.
     
  9. Nice Alex!!!!!
     
  10. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Thanks Ken! You know how long we've been working on this, it's been a challenging journey and I'm very glad to have reached the destination! I might get to do a bit more of this now: :bassist: :)
     
  11. 5StringPocket

    5StringPocket Supporting Member

    Jan 11, 2006
    Texas
    The engineering development looks very thorough on these Gen 3 cabs. That new 12XN550 driver at the heart of things is stunning. That Big Twin 2 looks like a tone monster with enough headroom to handle a wide range of venues. Excellent.
     
  12. sratas

    sratas

    Dec 15, 2007
    Parma, Italy
    One thing about the new tweetered cabs that I missed somewhere...The Big series cabs have a compression driver for mid/highs if I understood correctly.
    Is this driver adjustable? I guess "yes"
    What kind of changes can I expect from the mid/high driver attenuation? Will the tone be similar to that one of the non-tweetered cabs?
     
  13. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Yes, there's a compression driver on a waveguide in the Big Baby 2 and Big Twin 2. Fully adjustable, from off to LOUD. With it off the BB2 and BT2 sound just like the SC and ST through the mids and highs but with deeper lows (larger enclosure, lower tuning). As the HF driver is turned up the cabs change quite a lot in character - you have a lot of tonal versatility from experimenting with the knob on the cab plus the tone controls on your bass and amp (and what your hands do).

    We tried a variety of approaches, various switching combinations with extra filtering but in the end we found a level control was both intuitive and surprisingly powerful. The key was to make sure that the crossover worked as designed regardless of settings.

    I'll write some hints and tips in the manual but an interesting example was how a fully overdriven valve amp sounded great with just a touch from the HF driver, really opened up that pickstyle grind and spread it round the room. I can't see Lemmy ever switching from Marshall but he'd have loved that sound!
     
  14. falconspatriots

    falconspatriots Oh Word

    May 3, 2011
    connecticut
    On second thought, if the wait time is somewhere around December I just might put one on order. This thing looks great!!
     
  15. sratas

    sratas

    Dec 15, 2007
    Parma, Italy
    thanks alex..still very happy I have finally ordered my BB2.


     
  16. OldogNewTrick

    OldogNewTrick

    Dec 28, 2004
    Germany, EU
    hmmm... a professional CNC workcentre for woodworking has a positioning accuracy of better than +/- 0,1mm in X,Y and Z. That accuracy is more than adequate for the job at hand......
     
  17. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Clearly you know how to use our CNC machine better than we do because we've only been using it every day for the last 18 months!
     
  18. OldogNewTrick

    OldogNewTrick

    Dec 28, 2004
    Germany, EU
    Your condescending reply is off the mark.
    I do not know what CNC you use, but I do indeed know that a professional CNC (Homag/IMA/HolzHer/Biesse/SCM/et.al) in good working order does not machine components which have such inaccuracies that they would pose problems on a realtively simple item as a speaker box.
    If it does, you need to get it fixed. If it is one of those DIY jobbies, oh well...
     
  19. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    My 'condescending reply' is simply in response to the tone of your post. We do not have a large heavyweight CNC machine - ours has an 8'x4' bed but it is neither that heavy nor that expensive - we could not afford such a machine at the time.

    It is however good enough that it can cut easily fast enough and accurately enough to handle our current needs and for the foreseeable future. At some point we may need to step up to the next grade of machine but that will require a ~£50k investment.
     
  20. OldogNewTrick

    OldogNewTrick

    Dec 28, 2004
    Germany, EU
    My apologies, absolutely not meant that way.

    ~£30k can get you already a decent pre-owned CNC (Biesse Rover, Weeke BP80, SCM Record or sim.), check the trade journals for offers.

    Enough of the derail:
    Back to Barefaced Gen3. - Congrats on finding your new 12" speaker - OEM, I would presume.
     

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