New BG - defective?

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by NickPerrin, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. NickPerrin

    NickPerrin Guest

    Apr 15, 2012
    Hey all. First time poster, hopefully I'll be hanging around for a while.

    Just got my first bass guitar recently. I play keys and have been working on guitar for a bit, and wanted to pick up bass as well. Sale on musiciansfriend and I bought myself a Rogue lx200b series 3, a cheap beginner bass that has lots of good reviews despite its price.

    Anyway, the bass is great, sounds good, plays well enough (I'm a beginner though, what do I know), but something concerns me. As this was intended as a beginner bass, I can't be sure of the QC of the manufacturer.

    Essentially, where the neck meets the body, there is a slight tilt of the neck to one side. I'm not talking about the relief or a bent neck, but instead the perpendicular angle that you see in these photos:




    As you can see from the front and the back, the neck is not flush with the body of the guitar on either side, and on the side of the neck that is pushed out slightly, the screws on the back are noticeably further in than their counterparts.

    Should I be worried? I believe the bass is still under the 45-day musiciansfriend refund period. Should I jump on it and have it replaced ASAP?

    Functionally I haven't had any problems with it, like I said before plays fine and the electronics are solid. (Intonation and action could use a little tweaking but many reviewers said it needed that out-of-the-box anyway.)

    Thanks everyone!
  2. NickPerrin

    NickPerrin Guest

    Apr 15, 2012
    Apologies for the bump, but my time for refund availability is limited! And any help is greatly appreciated.
  3. darius8

    darius8 Guest

    I'd keep it if it plays and sounds great.
  4. 202dy

    202dy Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Inexpensive instruments will have inexpensive Q. The C. will be equally inexpensive.

    Look at the neck. Do the outside strings leave an even margin (the distance between the outside of the string and the edge of the fingerboard) the entire length of the neck? If so, leave it alone. If not, it is a simple adjustment.

    Otherwise, there does not appear to be anything wrong with this instrument. If the gap is bothersome, a shim can be fashioned to fill the space.
  5. NickPerrin

    NickPerrin Guest

    Apr 15, 2012
    Thanks for the reply. The margin does seem to be even all the way along the neck.

    Any ideas why the bass might be set up this way? Unless it's more likely just an error in production. Strange to have the neck angle slightly away from you. Luckily it's so slight it's barely noticeable.
  6. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY

    That last pic looks like there may be a lump of paint and or clear-coat (or other foreign object) under the heel or on the side wall of the pocket that was just left there. The neck is not flat in the pocket; there is without question a gap on the bass side. I respectfully disagree with 202dy, this is not a desirable situation; a neck should always make full contact with the body pocket. Pull the neck off and look to see what is interfering with it from properly locating in it's home. Look to see if there is a build up of finish on the bottom or walls of the pocket impeding the neck from lying flat. If it is finish material, either shave it with a sharp chisel, sand it off, or put it back together and send it back. It may be a piece of wood or other matter that became trapped in there at factory and may simply fall out.

    If nothing is impeding the neck, the heel may have a "twist" or "cup" defect because the stock was not carefully selected or seasoned long enough and has warped before assembly and QC didn't pick it up.
  7. ehque


    Jan 8, 2006
    +1. Basses can be cheap but this one does look like a defect. The mating surface between the neck and the body should have no gaps. I'm fairly certain there's extra finish or sawdust inside there.

    Do reduce the tension on the strings before you take the neck off, otherwise you'l rip the wood around the screws.
  8. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY

    Yes, DO remove the strings! Stating the obvious but you never know.

    EDIT!!!! I just occurred to me that maybe someone had the neck off already. The reason I say: My Epi Tbird was assembled by clamping the neck to the body and then driving the screw in. This results in the body having the screw threads cut in same as the neck holes. When I put it back together, it took three tries to get it in the pocket flat because I didn't hold the neck tight in the pocket and the emerging screw displaced the neck before it threaded into it; by one tooth. I finally got it in there flat. Next time I took it off I drilled the body holes so the screws would pass through and only thread into the neck: just like every other bass I own is made.
  9. 202dy

    202dy Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    I missed the gap at the rear of the heel, where the back of the neck sits in the floor of the pocket. You are correct that something other than a legitimate shim could be lodged between the neck and pocket floor. The neck should be removed and this should be explored. As you point out in your second post, it could be that the screw is engaging both the body and the neck. That will cause the gap. The fix for that is simply enlarging the body hole(s). As far as the margin around the perimeter of the neck goes, it is nice when it's tight but it is not critical.

    We disagree on whether the neck needs to have full contact with the bottom of the pocket. It might be ideal but not necessary. A thin shim negates that. Most bolt-on instruments leave the factory that way. My feeling is that as long as the neck connection is tight there is little or no difference. Does it affect the tone or sustain? Other than anecdotal evidence, there is no hard science to back the claim either way.
  10. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY

    Gaps from heel to toe of the pocket are ok, but side to side, placing stresses parallel to the grain? Nope!
  11. NickPerrin

    NickPerrin Guest

    Apr 15, 2012
    Thanks again for the detailed replies! I'll look into it and get it replaced if need be. Cheers.
  12. darkstorm

    darkstorm Guest

    Oct 13, 2009
    Rogue basses from MF are poor qaulity in my experience from ones Ive seen in stores used dept and reviews on forums Ive read. Youd be better off getting a refund and saving up for a decent bass like Ibanez Sr300 and similiar offerings by other makers.
  13. JLS


    Sep 12, 2008
    Albuquerque, NM
    I setup & repair guitars & basses
    I'd have to agree--this is a $120 bass, new. I wouldn't put a nickel into it; this is a almost a bass-shaped consumer object.
  14. iJazz

    iJazz Guest

    Jan 9, 2012
    Sussex, WI

  15. I am lazy and would return it to MF, they send a free shipping label. take your chances with another one.
  16. seemajorseven

    seemajorseven Guest

    Apr 12, 2012
    Return that bad boy!