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New Candiria - What Doesn't Kill You...

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by Josh Ryan, Jul 15, 2004.


  1. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    Very good! All you Candiria fans should buy it right now.

    Saddam says "I know! Let's not check out the new Candiria!"

    You don't want to be like Saddam do you?





    There is a little less style jumping, but it's there. Overall, the album is very strong musically. I wish there were a bit more jazz and hip hop in it though.
     
  2. Benjamin Strange

    Benjamin Strange Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Owner / Tech: Strange Guitarworks
    Crap! Even more money I need to spend on music that I shouldn't! First Meshuggah, now this. Gah!
     
  3. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I'm all over this like something that'd be all over something.

    Carly one of my favorite lyricists and vocalists, and they're tight as all get out.
     
  4. Erlendur Már

    Erlendur Már

    May 24, 2000
    I'll check it out, I have The COMA Imprint and I love it.
     
  5. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    This album requires a few listens to get all of the coolness. I like it a lot. Ask Aziz, he knows:



    Aziz- "It's very good".
     
  6. I'm gonna have to get it!!! :eek:
     
  7. Benjamin Strange

    Benjamin Strange Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Owner / Tech: Strange Guitarworks
    Ummm... not sure what to make of this. It's not nearly as heavy as their past work. Some of it is (dare I say it?!) radio friendly. Carly even sings on this one. I mean, really sings. It's good, but I barely recognize this as Candiria.

    I guess it's well done, but it kind of seems like their attempt at a sell out album. But at least they have that rapper with a lisp on it. :p
     
  8. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    They went bland. This is every other metal/hardcore/metalcore album ever made.

    For shame, Candiria, for SHAME.

    Finished listening. This is not Candiria, rather a lesser impostor filling in for Candiria while they're on break. Because if this is one of the most original bands, the band that made 300% Density, then we have officially entered a new dark age like that not seen since Creed released Human Clay.

    Whomever was hired to play in Candiria's stead ruined Carly's lyics, stripped them of their unique rhythms and jazz influence, and turned them into every single hardcore band to come out since Poison the Well.

    It's... it's terrible, really.
     
  9. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    I thought you guys would say that. I can only say in return that singing does not equal selling out and the musicianship is intact. I know some of you see melody as the enemy, but give it another listen. I thought the same things at first, but it grew on me.


    edit: this guy's review sums it up for me pretty well, with only slight differences:



    [​IMG] Fair warning: this is not your father's Candiria, July 16, 2004
    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY class=small><TR><TD>Reviewer: </TD><TD>Wheelchair Assassin (The Great Concavity) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>With the exception of a few ignorant people, those who have listened to Candiria know that they're a uniquely brilliant band, and "What Doesn't Kill You Will Only Make You Stronger" offers plenty of this band's bizarre genius. But coming off their best album to date, the mighty "300 Percent Density," the guys from Brooklyn have made some major variations on their trademark hardcore-jazz-hip-hop-prog rock sound. Every Candiria album takes a while to get used to, what with their unconventional song structures and seemingly random genre-mixing, but their are some really big changes here to assimilate. None of their albums really sound alike, but to paraphrase George Orwell, this one is a bit more different than the others.

    The first song, the "Dead Bury the Dead," certainly doesn't betray any signs of change. In the best Candiria tradition, it's an infectious headbanger filled with complex rhythms, furious drum blasts, and the almost inhumanly harsh vocals of Carley Coma. It's on the next track, "The Nameless," that the band throws a major curveball. What's that thing Carley's doing with his voice? Is that...no, it couldn't be...singing? On a Candiria album? Yes, it is, and it shows up again two songs later on "Remove Yourself" and two songs after that on "Down." It's not just the singing that struck me as out of place at first, either. These songs are all considerably more accessible than the typical Candiria fare, featuring simpler riffs, straight drumbeats, and even, you guessed it, verses and choruses instead of the "chapters" into which their songs are generally divided. At times they're even somewhat reminiscent of (eek!) nu-metal.

    Now, much as I try to be open-minded, I'll admit that my initial reaction to the introduction of the mainstream elements described above was an intense desire to eject this CD from my stereo and put it in one of my cats' litterboxes. However, I listened, and listened, and listened, and after letting the album play through for three days straight, I found myself liking this "new" Candiria sound almost as much as the old one. For one thing, Carley's a damn good singer, and even on this album's more melodic offerings he does an excellent job of mixing up the singing with some harsher vocal intonations, apparently to ensure that Candiria's more ardent fans aren't completely turned off. Just as importantly, these songs still display the band's top-notch musicianship, and they're mighty catchy to boot. The anti-materialism anthem "Remove Yourself," especially, has the most captivating chorus I've heard in a while
    (I actually think materialism gets a bad rap, but this isn't the place for a discussion of my sociopolitical views).

    Besides, the singing doesn't pop up that often. Much of this album is vintage Candiria, meaning it's relentlessly original, eclectic, and extremely heavy. "Blood" and "1000 Points of Light" are prime examples of Candiria's brilliance, the former briefly interrupting its hardcore fury with a spacey atmospheric interlude; the latter achieving a fusion of metal and hip-hop elements that would embarrass bands like Limp Bizkit (come to think of it, they have a lot to be embarrassed about anyway). Perfectly synthesizing the old and the new, "I Am" alternates rampaging aggression in the verses with a sweeping melodic chorus for a brilliant dynamic effect; this may well be one of the best Candiria songs ever. And the anthemic "Vacant," led by Carley's in-your-face mantra of "I Will/Rise Strong/Your lies/Inconsistent," isn't far behind. Concluding the album is the jazz fusion piece "The Rutherford Experiment," which finds Candiria exploring even more new ground. Mixing searing guitars with trippy Moog synthesizer work, this instrumental should bend minds as easily as it bends genres. In all, while I can't recommend this album quite as heartily as "300 Percent Density," it's still a more-than-worthy addition to the catalog of one of the best bands going these days. These guys could've made another "300 Percent Density" and I wouldn't have minded, but they deserve credit for trying something different and challening their fans a little. I would've liked at least one jazz song, but hey, you can't win them all. So if you don't like "What Doesn't Kill You..." at first, try, try again. The payoff will come eventually.
     
  10. Benjamin Strange

    Benjamin Strange Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Owner / Tech: Strange Guitarworks
    I'm not equating singing with selling out, and I'm not accusing Candiria of this either. But I found this album boring. Lacking any balls, and lacking the interesting musicianship and twists that make Candiria Candiria. Surprisingly, it's mercifully short; 36 minutes. Normally I like hearing Candiria for longer than that, but I'm glad this one ended early.

    I sure hope the new Meshuggah doesn't suck like this does.
     
  11. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    Just earlier today I found a "best of" compilation ben sent me of candiria, I had forgotten about it, but it's definitely awesome. I went to iTunes and saw that they had most of their stuff, I'll probably get some more soon.
     
  12. Brendan

    Brendan

    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Precisely. I never accused them of selling out. I accused them of making a crappy album.
     
  13. Benjamin Strange

    Benjamin Strange Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Owner / Tech: Strange Guitarworks
    I was surprised. The guy can actually sing. It's not amazing, but it is on pitch and done well. The music around it is a bit generic though. :meh:

    And is it just me, or does Scott Stapp's face look a little too much like a pear?
     
  14. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    your not accusing them of selling out? Are you sure?
     
  15. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    My comment was directed more at Mr. Strange. I just don't see it as that crappy. I still hear all the great musicianship that I love from surrealistic madness etc. Granted it's less, and integrated with more catchy singing but it's still there in places. Knowing Candiria (the music), I would not expect this to be a direction anway, the next album could be anything. If you hate it, you hate it.


    SMASH, you'd probably like the vocals on this one a lot better.
     
  16. Benjamin Strange

    Benjamin Strange Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Owner / Tech: Strange Guitarworks
    Oops!! Haha, I forgot I wrote that. I will now publicly retract that statement. *hangs head in shame*

    :D :D :D

    Let me clarify a bit here. It seems like Candiria is trying to make a more accesable record. I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to reach a larger audience, but I think this was the wrong way to go. It's a bit bland compared to their other stuff. Granted, I think if Candiria got HUGE, they would deserve it. If you stay true to your roots, sometimes you are lucky enough to have a fan base come to you. I think that Candiria almost severed their roots with this one. It almost doesn't sound like them. That's my beef. I sure hope the next one is better, and I will still go see them when they come through SF.
     
  17. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    OK, fair enough. It's cool if you don't like, I just hate seeing the scarlet S thrown around too much.
     
  18. Benjamin Strange

    Benjamin Strange Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Owner / Tech: Strange Guitarworks
    Yeah, I guess that was a knee jerk reaction on my part. I'm giving this another listen as I type, and I'm still not impressed.

    Candiria's change on this album is similar to how I felt about Metallica when they came out with And Justice For All. It was Metallica, yet it wasn't. Then the black album came out, and it was even less Metallica. I don't think they specifically sold out, but I feel they lost themselves along the way.
     
  19. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    that's accurate, I like And Justice for All though. If Candiria comes out with a Black album thoguh, [Mr Burns on]I owe you a Coke. [Mr Burns off]
     
  20. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    OK, I brought 300% density to the gym, and yes, it made the new one sound a bit like incubus on steriods. I still think "what doesn't kill lyou..." is not a bad album. It's not in the same league as 300%... but not much is.