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New Carvin 35.25" scale XB75 and XB76

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by mgood, Sep 30, 2001.


What scale length do you prefer?

Poll closed Oct 10, 2001.
  1. Shorter than 34" (like 32")

    1 vote(s)
    7.1%
  2. The usual 34" scale is fine

    10 vote(s)
    71.4%
  3. 35" or longer

    2 vote(s)
    14.3%
  4. Could care less if it's not a ____ (your favorite brand)

    1 vote(s)
    7.1%
  1. mgood

    mgood

    Sep 29, 2001
    Levelland, Texas
  2. Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    Wow!!
    What a great adition to the Carvin Line..
    Good move, but I dont get why they went 22 Frets instead of 24.

    Carvin didnt notify us yet, but Im expecting all the info on those new products soon. (Im a Carvin Dealer/Distributor)
     
  3. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    The website lists the overall dimensions of the XB-76 and LB-76 as almost exactly the same (45.8" vs. 45.6"), but in the photos it appears as though the bridge has simply moved closer to the butt end of the body to lengthen the strings. To their credit, it also looks like they moved the pickup positions too, to maintain the relative positions of the pu's along the string length -- in the photos, the neck PU appears to be further from the end of the fingerboard on the XB than on the LB.

    I'm guessing the length of neck free of the body, the actual length of the fingerboard, and the entire outline of the neck/body, are the same on both models, avoiding a big redesign and allowing them to use all of the same production pieces up until drilling for the bridge and routing for pickups. Going 24 frets would have required redesigning the entire body, neck, and fingerboard, which would have been a much bigger job than just moving the bridge and the pickup routs, and also would have extended (pun intended) delivery times.

    Yet another example of Carvin listening to the marketplace and reacting to what they hear. They found a way to do it quickly and at a low customer cost. I continue to be impressed with this bunch and the way they do business.
     
  4. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    I'll be. Not living in S. Cal, I haven't received a catalog with those yet.

    They sure didn't need the longer scale because their B's weren't fine. They prove a 34" B can be solid if the maker has the right design.
     
  5. bobaloo

    bobaloo

    Aug 26, 2001
    Newport News, Va.
    Is it possible to convert a 34" scale (say a Fender Jazz V) to a 35" scale by simply replacing the neck with a 35" scale (say a Warmoth)?
     
  6. Chasarms

    Chasarms Casual Observer

    May 24, 2001
    Bettendorf, IA USA
    I have never seen a conversion neck available. If you find one let me know, I'd love to do the same.
     
  7. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    It would have to have been designed specifically to do just that. Such a neck would have to be designed to fit the existing neck pocket, but put the 12th fret 17-1/2" from the bridge. That would add overall length to the instrument, possibly rendering the stock Fender case useless -- unless the headstock design were changed. All surmountable issues. I know there is a site (name escapes me at the moment) where they sell replacement necks to convert a Tele into a baritone 6-string (B to B or A to A tuning) with a 29-1/2" scale. So the math is doable -- I merely have yet to see one. But I bet whoever figures it out first will make more than a few bucks -- I'm sure there's a market!

    EDIT: Warmoth (though that wasn't the little shop I was thinking about) does make a Strat-->baritone conversion neck, with a 28-1/2" or so scale. But I did not see anything about bass scale conversion necks. Will report back if/when I find something...
     
  8. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    A recent issue of Bass Player had extended length necks in the New Products section. They were designed to retrofit onto a Fender type bass, but the headstock had been made smaller to allow the proper neck length and fret positioning. I can't remember what month I saw that in. I'll look for it when I have time.
     
  9. Moses Graphite sells a 35" neck that goes into the standard Warmoth heel. Since the Warmoth heel is identical to the American Deluxe Jazz Bass V heel, if you have an AmDeluxe J-V you can use a Moses neck.

    My Dean Edge Custom 5 demonstrates that a 35" scale length is vastly overrated in terms of B string feel. Neck stiffness is much more important--a thin neck using somewhat-less-than-top-grade maple (such as my Dean's) is going to have a floppy B whether it's 34" or 44" scale. Because of this, I think that the Moses 34" Fender 5-string replacement neck would give you just as good of a B and would be easier to play.
     
  10. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    Agreed.
     
  11. bobaloo

    bobaloo

    Aug 26, 2001
    Newport News, Va.
    Thanks for the help. I recently bought a Yamaha TRB II 5 string with a 35" neck and the B-string sounds great. It does have a (I think) 5-piece neck which may add to the stiffness factor. Since I've made the Yamaha my main bass I was going to put a fretless neck on the Fender. I was looking at the Warmoth's because they aren't too expensive, I believe about half that of the Moses. Does anybody have experience with either of these?
     
  12. Can anyone tell me if carvin would have had to re position the frets for the 35 inch scale? I would ass-u-me that they would have to in order for the 12th to split the distance between the nut and the bridge.
     
  13. mgood

    mgood

    Sep 29, 2001
    Levelland, Texas
    Yeah, the frets will be a hair further apart on a longer scale bass.

    Over on the Crvin bbs, we have noted that the bridge is closer to the bottom of the bass, that's where they got most if not all of the length. The overall length of the bass appears to be the same. There is speculation, uncomfirmed at this time, that it might actually be the same neck with a different fretboard on it. That may be the real reason why it's a 22-fret bass when all their other neck-throughs have 24 frets.

    (They did move the pickups down as well as the bridge.)
     
  14. mgood

    mgood

    Sep 29, 2001
    Levelland, Texas
    Just rumors we've been stirring up. They haven't even officially announced this thing yet, so there's not a lot of information about it.
     
  15. Chasarms

    Chasarms Casual Observer

    May 24, 2001
    Bettendorf, IA USA
    As stated above, this seems the most likely. It would make the manufacturing process much ofr cost effective for Carvin. They would use all the same tooling and blanks up until the fingerboard is attached. The 22 frets seem to be the tell-tale evidence of this practice. Great idea though, I wish they would have thought of it earlier. I have had an LB75 and didn't much care for it. I may give it another go.

    Chas
     
  16. natebass

    natebass

    Sep 6, 2001
    Bremerton, WA
    I agree that neck stiffness affects tone drastically. I have a Kubicki x-factor bass (32" scale on the a,d,& g strings with a 36" scale on the lowest string, which is tuned to d, with a clamp holding at low e, making the e 32'" scale as well) and it sounds equal to any 34" scale bass - then when you add in the active electronics, it sounds almost alembic-like....
     
  17. eli

    eli Mad showoff 7-stringer and Wish lover Supporting Member

    Dec 12, 1999
    NW suburban Chicago
    Heck, it's up on the website... can't imagine much more of an "official announcement" than that!
     
  18. mgood

    mgood

    Sep 29, 2001
    Levelland, Texas
    Yeah, but it just sort of showed up there with no fanfare or nothin'. They said that in the next week or so it will be featured on the main page. It will also be discussed in the new catalog whenever that comes out, in a month or so I think, maybe less. Anyway, they left us to notice it on our own, and when we did and asked about it they mostly just said they'd have more info in a week or so.
     
  19. FalsehoodBass

    FalsehoodBass

    Jul 22, 2001
    Denver, CO
    $100 difference for less than 2 extra inches? no thankyou... i understand that it could be better, but for the same price of an extra string, all they do is make the neck a little longer and reposition the bridge.... maybe i'm being irrational, but it seems like too much to me.
     
  20. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    $100 is about right for the companies who offer an option on the scale length. Not many do.