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New Diana Krall cd

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by sabbath1977, Apr 27, 2004.


  1. Her new cd,The Girl in the Other Room is one of the greatest jazz cd's around.It's full of passion and I have a feeling that it's going to make a good impact in the jazz community.I hope so.Elvis Costello wrote songs with her,he's a good songwriter.Christian McBride plays incredible as always.The same goes for John Clayton.They are complete bassists.So,go buy it now. ;)
     
  2. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    Diana Krall does have an appeal that reaches any number of people and both Christian McBride and (especially) John Clayton are wonderful players.

    But with a statement like "one of the greatest jazz cd's around", I just gotta ask - how many jazz CDs do you have/have you listened to?
     
  3. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Shouldn't this be on the DB side?

    In spite of not liking here previous albums that much - I was intrigued by this one and the good reviews it got - heard about it and that it wasn't standards-based and heard a few tracks.

    I bought it and I like it!! It reminds me a bit of Joni Mitchell at her best - a comparison which is invited by the inclusion of Black Crow.

    I liked the Tom Waits tune - I love his writing, but hate his voice so it was nice to hear this combination.

    I need to listen to it again, but there is some lovely playing and good songs - it really feels like a worthwhile album that is saying something!Whereas, I felt her previous albums were too lightweight and "easy lisening", for my taste!
     
  4. baba

    baba Supporting Member

    Jan 22, 2002
    3rd stone from the sun
    Like fish in a barrel.
     
  5. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Yes - I was just thinking that it's a nice, well-played album - but it's certainly not one of the greatest Jazz CDs around - I'm not even sure it's Jazz at all, really!!

    It does have Jazz-like moments - but it's more about getting the song and the mood across ......more like other singer-songwriters in the vein of Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro, Janis Ian etc..
     
  6. Mmm - well, I must say that although Declan Patrick Aloysius MacManus is a fine songwriter, his name is not one which immediately springs to mind when I think of Jazz. For that matter, neither is the name Nora Jones, but I read somewhere that Bill Evans was one of her greatest influences… (???) - all I hear in her music is Country (and quite ordinary Country at that… I'm sure marketing and commercialism must have something to do with it).

    Anyway, back to Ms. Krall - I think she is a multi-talented musician, and she has (or had?) a wonderful voice. Some of her early recordings are very good, and use a very close-miced technique, so that it sounds as if she's singing right in your ear, also she tends to surround herself with outstanding musicians and arrangers. Recently, I was listening to a live recording she made back in 2001, and I was somewhat disappointed by her performance - it wasn't that it was bad, but it seemed to lack the sparkle and the finish which is very apparent on her earlier recordings. I have "Live in Paris" CD, which (from what I remember) is OK.

    FWIW

    - Wil
     
  7. Planet Boulder

    Planet Boulder Hey, this is a private residence...man Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2001
    6,482 feet above sea level
    I once had impure thoughts. Oh, and I pluck my ear hair.
    Does it feature yet another provocative pic on the cover? ;)
     
  8. Well,I have a nice collection of jazz cd's,really.When I said "one of the greatest jazz cd's around" what I meant was lately,of course there are better cd's.Anyway,in my opinion it's a very good one.
     
  9. Planet Boulder

    Planet Boulder Hey, this is a private residence...man Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2001
    6,482 feet above sea level
    I once had impure thoughts. Oh, and I pluck my ear hair.
    With all due respect, I think more people would take her seriously if she didn't constantly promote her Sex Kitten image. The sensuous CD covers do very little for her image from a musician's standpoint:
    [​IMG]
     
  10. Planet Boulder

    Planet Boulder Hey, this is a private residence...man Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2001
    6,482 feet above sea level
    I once had impure thoughts. Oh, and I pluck my ear hair.
  11. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Strange turn to the debate!! :confused:

    She's a 39-year old woman and that photo's not provocative, revealing etc. etc. in any way - she's just playing the piano, live, in a big jacket!! It's just a nice photo - shouls she be playing in a burka!!! :confused:

    What else should they have put on the cover?

    If you're really looking to get your "jollies" off CD covers , I think that says more about you, than Diana Krall....?

    I mean - how about respecting her as a person, who plays piano, writes songs etc. ?
     
  12. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I agree - but that doesn't have to mean that you enjoy a record any less, because it isn't Jazz!!

    I think Marketing people are trying to allude to this connection with Jazz, to indicate that it is "grown-up" music that you can listen to at home and appreciate, as an intelligent adult - i.e. - it's not aimed at 14-year-olds, like most other music they are selling! ;)

    I have quite a few Elvis Costello records in my collection of CDs and they are in no way "Jazz" - but I still like lisening to them - my favourite is "Spike" - great lyrics, great playing and imaginative use of instrumentation (including the dirty dozen brass band) - just a great work of art !!
     
  13. Planet Boulder

    Planet Boulder Hey, this is a private residence...man Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2001
    6,482 feet above sea level
    I once had impure thoughts. Oh, and I pluck my ear hair.
    Bruce: How could you possibly twist my post to mean that I somehow "look to get my jollies off on CD covers"?!? Bit of a reach to say the least.

    Also, why go to the illogical extreme by suggesting that the only alternative is for her to don a burka?

    As for:
    I think that was pretty much the gist of my point when I stated:
    I think you're mistaking my post to mean that:
    a) I am validating a common perception of her (with respect to the dominance of her image over her musicianship)
    b) I get my "jollies" by looking at CD covers
    c) I'm saying that she doesn't deserve respect for the qualities you mentioned above

    Mine was simply an observation - not a means of indictment.
     
  14. This is incredible.When I decided to write a thread about Diana Krall's new cd it was because I really liked the cd, and you guys are talking about the cd cover? :meh:

    Thi is about MUSIC, not image.
     
  15. Thor

    Thor Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    I'm sure it will find its way into my house very quickly.
    My wife is big a fan of hers.

    I took my wife to see DK 2 years ago, in Providence RI.
    Two weeks ago, my wife and I were in a department
    store in Boston. In the shoe department, my wife quips
    'I always loved those Manolo Blahnick shoes Dina Krall
    was wearing'.

    It may be about the music for you (and me, for that
    matter ) but for some of her fans it is very much
    about the image.

    I am glad to hear that she has released a worthwhile
    recording, whatever pigeonhole it goes into.
     
  16. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Well - you are the one who is taking it personally - I didn't quote anybody's post or refer to anybody in particular - I meant you as in "one".

    So I was saying I don't understand why anybody would buy a CD just for its cover - so I was saying that if anybody did, it would say more to me about them, than about Diana Krall.

    If you are taking that personally - that's down to your own guilty conscience - not anything I said!!! ;)

    On the other hand, if you want me to address what you personally said - then I will!

    So - we were talking about the music and then you mentioned how Diana Krall, (and I quote) :

    "constantly promote(s) her Sex Kitten image"

    ...and you posted a picture from the CD of her sitting at a piano playing, dressed very conservatively. So - what would she have to do to not be promoting such an image?

    The only thing I can think of is to wear some kind of garment that covers her face amd head entirely - but why should she? :meh:

    To me, it stands or falls on the music and this one was pretty good - as I say, kind of like Joni Mitchell's better albums, not Jazz necessarily - but good music ....

    Now, why not criticise Joni Mitchell for those photos on her album covers - they're all over them!!! ;)
     
  17. Planet Boulder

    Planet Boulder Hey, this is a private residence...man Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2001
    6,482 feet above sea level
    I once had impure thoughts. Oh, and I pluck my ear hair.
    Bruce - you're splitting hairs and dealing in semantics, here. You were addressing my post specifically, thus you were addressing me. It's not a matter of my "taking it personally" - it's simply a matter of my responding to a post that was directed specifically at me.

    Let's dispense with the pointless tactics, psychological profiling and illogical extremes and focus on debating this like adults, shall we?

    Now, as for my comments:
    We will have to simply agree to disagree on whether or not the latest CD cover represents the latest in a trend or is actually a welcome departure. As I stated earlier, I am not condemning her or attempting to validate what is a very real perception of her by some critics, fans of the genre, etc.

    If you are not one who chooses to focus on that percpetion, that's great. It does not mean that the perception does not, in fact, exist.

    I have listened to her music and I obviously think she's talented. Not necessarily what I would go out and buy, but that's beside the point. I was not attempting to take away from her talents by commenting on a perception that exists.

    Again, we can agree to disagree on the merits of her latest CD cover. Frankly, I don't think there's anything left to argue in this case.

    sabbath: I apologize for jumping off topic on this one. I didn't mean for this to turn into some debate over CD covers and, sadly, it did. I'll let Bruce take the last comment on that issue and just let it rest. My apologies, man.
     
  18. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    But have you actually got anything to say about the music on the latest CD - have you actually even heard it?

    I do see this as departure from previous albums and a move towards being a serious singer-songwriter, rather than a "Jazz Singer" - I welcome this, as I don't particularly like my Jazz with vocals and have virtually nil CDs like this - apart from the odd George Benson!! ;)

    But I have loads of Joni Mitchell albums, for example, as I mentioned and am happy to listen to them on the same terms as this new album...:)
     
  19. Planet Boulder

    Planet Boulder Hey, this is a private residence...man Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2001
    6,482 feet above sea level
    I once had impure thoughts. Oh, and I pluck my ear hair.
    Bruce: I haven't heard the new one, but it sounds like it would be worth a listen, based upon your (and sabbath's) comments.

    I'm definitely with you in regards to not being terribly fond of jazz vocals in general (with exceptions, of course).
     
  20. bmc

    bmc

    Nov 15, 2003
    Switzerland
    She's a great pianist, a great singer and not hard to look at.

    She gives me a stem.