New fangled B-15 project.... needs help!!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by stevensivak, Dec 31, 2014.

  1. stevensivak

    stevensivak

    Dec 24, 2014
    So- for many reasons I am drawn to the sound of the of the B-15 Heritage
    especially with Garth Fielding playing on the the following:


    But I would like more wattage and volume but less weight-

    I have found a great experienced builder of period correct double vented
    B-15 enclosures who is interested in making my dream come true.....

    So far- Either a Jules Monique would be the pre-amp and would be doing the flipping
    and a Demeter Mini would be located in the box or the new Minnie VTBP could be
    used as a head.

    Speaker selection is leaning towards a 15" Eminence speaker of similar configuration
    as what is used on the Heritage units.

    Portable, elegant and attempting to come "close" to the sound of the video above...


    thoughts? good or bad I am happy to listen to those who have knowledge....

    thanks!!
     
  2. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    The Arkham Octling essentially is a B-15 preamp.

    " CL400Peavey " on here has one.

    Mate it with as much power as you want.
     
  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    They already have those...they're called the V4B and SVT ;)

    Monique is pretty sweet, though. For speaker, use an Eminence Delta 15a. Not the same speaker but sounds just like the old CTS's used in the 60's B-15's. And I highly recommend Mark at www.vintage-blue.us if you want to get real about a B-15 cab. He did the re-design of the cab for the Heritage.
     
  4. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    Agreed, what you'd still be missing Is the tube power section, and you are not going to fit a high power tube amp in a fliptop. :)

    Would a B25B be strong enough?
     
  5. stevensivak

    stevensivak

    Dec 24, 2014
    Jimmy

    Mark is on board
    Thanks for speaker advice....

    Since speaker and cab construction will follow directly from the heritage unit and since these flavor the sound so dramatically, do you think it will have a vintage sound?
     
  6. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Absolutely. Your knob settings may not line up exactly, but you can get pretty much the same sounds out of all of them.
     
  7. stevensivak

    stevensivak

    Dec 24, 2014
    Excellent!
     
  8. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    BTW, Garth is a Facebook bud and an awesome dude. Just thought I'd throw that out there ;)
     
  9. stevensivak

    stevensivak

    Dec 24, 2014
    Boy does he get that b15 to sing!!!

    I sent him an email regarding which heritage the video was recorded with-
    Lot of 50, lot of 100 or the current run...... No reply

    Shake him down for an answer....

    What I'd really like to do is to go to Marks Place in Cincinnati with a borrowed Monique/Minnie and plug it into one of his b 15 cabinets and that I guess is the only way to determine if the sonic quality I am trying to achieve can be accomplished without a tube power amp
     
  10. esa372

    esa372

    Aug 7, 2010
    I don't know if you know, but Jule has a new power-amp - the M700.

    http://www.talkbass.com/threads/jule-amp-m700.1124351/

    It might be a good option for this project.
     
  11. homie

    homie

    Mar 16, 2014
    The video says only 50 being made for that year whenever that was made.
     
  12. stevensivak

    stevensivak

    Dec 24, 2014
    Those are the valuable ones.....

    Ampeg loves to play games with the product and confuse the customer....

    I am aware of Jules integrated unit but not proper for a flip top
     
  13. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast

    Aug 7, 2008
    As he points out in the video, a new amp doesn't come with issues. But there is nothing wrong with a vintage B-15N head that has been properly serviced.

    Other than the chassis, all the parts are available and they can be rebuilt if necessary from the ground up and can perform better than new. Couple an orphaned ebay B-15NC head with one of Mark's cabinets and you'll have an amazing amp.
     
  14. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    Not trying to oversell the Arkham or whatever, haven't even heard one yet, just saying it seems pretty authentic to the B15 pre.

    I'm wondering if it's not too tall, would clear the speaker when flipped over. Could then mount the power in the cabinet or externally somehow.?

    Curious how the whole fliptop thing would work with separate pre and power amps.


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  15. stevensivak

    stevensivak

    Dec 24, 2014
    Sticking with marks cabinets and a cleaned up used to b-15 head is a possibility for sure
    In terms of the clearance issue it turns out that b-15 heads are not very tall and they don't extend very deep.

    the reality is that the Monique would require a slightly larger cabinet in order to fit which is a surprise

    If using a separate preamp and power amp say the mini, it would have to be installed inside the cab on the rear bottom. I've checked with Jim Demeter about that and he says no problem whatsoever
     
  16. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    Class D/SMPS amp might have enough ventilation just mounted inside the cabinet. They run pretty cool/efficient, might not need to carve a hole to the outside.

    I haven't done it, but it'd be interesting to put a thermometer inside a cab and check It after playing at volume for an hour or so.
     
  17. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast

    Aug 7, 2008
    You have to take into consideration what speaker you have in the cabinet. The magnet on some speakers extends up higher and can be an issue when flipping the head into the cabinet. Sometimes when you transport the unit, the amp can bash on the speaker. The lid fits onto the cabinet. The lid has vibration mounts and a tray that the amp sits in. The assembly sits proud of the lid so you have to take that into consideration when figuring out how an amp will mate with the cabinet.

    B-15 details can be found in the TB portaflex wiki. See the speaker cabinet technical section: http://wiki.talkbass.com/index.php?title=Category:Ampeg_Portaflex_wiki#Introduction
     
  18. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Garth's Heritage is one of the first 50.
     
  19. Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    If you want to get really nit-picky, both the volume occupied by the driver and by any add-ons like a power amp in the cab should be factored into the cab design. Probably moot once you deviate so far from from a purist's view of what makes a B-15 a B-15 though...[​IMG]
     
  20. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Major truth. My double baffle cabs have Delta 15a's, and my 64 B-15N's transformers bang into the frame and have chipped the finish till I wised up and put sticky-backed felt on the parts of the frame they bang. It's very tight in there, and there's really no room for anything even a little bigger.
     
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