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New jazz 4 - Marcus or Warmoth?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Wilbyman, Oct 18, 2003.


  1. Wilbyman

    Wilbyman

    Sep 10, 2003
    Parkersburg, WV
    Been listening to M2 and, like many of you, I'm thinking that I want that Marcus sound...maple board/ash body/active.

    I'm thinking about either ordering an olympic white Fender MM 4 and replacing the preamp with an NTBT (Musicians Friend has them for $769, the NTBT would run $80)...mmm, olympic white...

    Or a "Marcus style" from the ground up with Warmoth. This allows a little more customization from the get go...as well as bring a 4 bolt neck. With the 3-bolt on the Marcus, you're pretty much hosed if you ever want to upgrade or switch out necks. Additionally, I'd probably do the Warmoth with a PJ setup to make it a little more versatile.

    I think I priced the Warmoth bass at around $900 excluding any labor I need to have done by someone else. The Warmoth would make for a fun project, but what is going to be the better instrument in the long run? Anybody have any input?

    Thanks in advance!

    Will
     
  2. I would go the "Marcus style" from the ground up with Warmoth.

    You might even cosider the J Retro in the Marcus style for pickups!




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    Treena
     
  3. Wilbyman

    Wilbyman

    Sep 10, 2003
    Parkersburg, WV
    I'm leaning in that direction...haven't tried the J-Retro, but I'm sure it spanks.
     
  4. Well, if you want that marcus sound, a PJ setup def wouldn't work. he's all about two J's full on.

    I would go warmoth though, its the best most fun thing you'll ever do (except for actually building from scratch, but Im not ready for that). You get to choose finish, and will probably end up with a better intstrument at price with the marcus or a little over it.

    Bad part is resale, MM will have a good resale, where as the warmoth simply won't. If you're sure you want it though, why would you need to sell it? :)
     
  5. bikeplate

    bikeplate Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2001
    Upstate NY
    Hi!

    Warmoth stuff is quite nice. You might want to just get yourself a new or used reissue Jazz and pick up a Sadowsky DI/pre to go along with it!! That's the marcus setup!

    Rob
     
  6. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    I think the Warmoth will only be as good as you built it. I've built more than a few & they keep getting better everytime I built one. The 1st one I built came out nice but NOTHING compared to the last few I built.

    I agree with GrooveCenter, if you're looking for the Marcus sound, go JJ.

    Here are a few Warmoth's I've built:
    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1118643">
    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1176505">
    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=552868">
    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=971204">
     
  7. MyNameIsMUD

    MyNameIsMUD

    Sep 25, 2003
    those are nice. :)

    little OT but... can you get a fender(5string jazz) neck that has a tilted/angled headstock? They say they do have necks that do that but didnt point out if you could get that option on a fender style neck... :confused:
     
  8. Now why is that?

    MIM's have a better resale then a warmouth? I thought Fender and Vintage was just a marketing ploy.

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    Treena
     
  9. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    People know the name so when buying a Mexican made Fender, second hand, someone is willing to pay more for it cause it's a Fender.

    Mew MIM Fender's sell for about $459 & I've seem them sell on eBay for about $300-$375.

    I've seen alot of Warmoth's on ebay that the parts cost over $1200+ & they sold for $500 or less.
     
  10. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    While Marcus has said that he occassionally uses an outboard Sadowsky pre, his bass is still equipped with a Bartolini 2 band pre. Based on my own personal experience I'd be willing to bet that he could still get his sound out of that bass even without the added preamp. That's just the nature of some late 70's, heavy as heck Ash Jazzes with Maple board and stock pickups. I have one and all it takes to nail that sound is a fresh set of strings. Great playability.

    Probably the best bang for the buck is going to be having some patience and getting a used MM or MIJ reissue bass, typically around $500 in great shape. A J-Retro is an option, much easier to install than a Bartolini, EMG etc. on a standard Jazz. On the MM I've gotten great sound stock. Another option would be waiting on Nino to unload one of his Warmoths;). A friend of mine just bought a very nice Jaco-style fretted Warmoth Jazz... for $359.

    YMMV.
     
  11. I have just recently bought a MM MIJ as a backup bass to my GB IV, I have to say through smaller amps i struggle to get that marcus sound but, when i put it from my Trace Stack I get that Marcus Esq warm slap sound, I love the tonal caperbilites of this bass, and the neck is perfect, I at the moment have it running through a foot pre-amp similar to a sadowsky that was made for me by a guitar tech, and it does sound amazing, Warmouth for me tend to edge towards a more raw sound, more rocky, you def cannot dig in with a MM MIJ, where u can with a warmouth,


    the MM MIJ has on the net a couple of differnt ways of re-wiring the electroics to get a high output, i havent done this simply because i have my outboard pre-amp. eventually i hope to have an onboard Sadowsky pre-amp fitted, should be sweet as,


    but its all a matter of taste


    regards

    Ben
     
  12. Mike A

    Mike A Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2002
    Kentucky
    Treena...
    The Marcus Miller 4 string (MM) is Made in Japan (MIJ.)
    (5 string Miller Jazz is MIA)
     
  13. I still have a bad tatse in my mouth over the Vintage .....scam thread!

    I know about MIM, MIA and MIJ.

    I do understand it's the name Fender that people are paying for.

    I personally feel that the warmoth is a better product then some of the new MIM and MIJ.... that I own any way!


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    Treena
     
  14. metron

    metron Fluffy does not agree

    Sep 12, 2003
    Lakewood Colorado
    Hi Treena! This was in reference to MM (Marcus Miller) not MIM. I read it as though you were under the impression that they were saying MIM basses have a better resale than a Warmoth. The Marcus bass will have a better resale than a Warmoth but probably not the case with MIM... ;)
     
  15. Thank you for clearing this up!

    Isn't the MM jazz bass made in Japan though? Or is that the signature Marcus Miller Jazz basses?

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    Treena
     
  16. metron

    metron Fluffy does not agree

    Sep 12, 2003
    Lakewood Colorado
    MM jazz = Marcus Miller signature jazz bass. They are the same and MIJ. I played one not long ago and it was nice but not as nice as the American series jazz. Personally Im still on the lookout for a vintage Fender that doesnt feel crappy... ;) :D