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New rig need advice please

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by hawkdiver, Oct 11, 2009.


  1. hawkdiver

    hawkdiver

    Feb 5, 2008
    Hey guys I am currently using a hartke 3500 and hartke 410 cab that just isnt really cutting it in the larger venues anymore (distorts when I play hard.. Just doesnt get loud enough) and want to get a new rig.. The army doesnt pay me very much but i can get 800'ish bucks on trade in for my current gear so looking to come out of pocket maybe 500-800 bucks. What do you recommend for rock/metal'ish music that has the punch and low end we all love?

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    Thank you in advance.
     
  2. 0175westwood29

    0175westwood29

    Sep 16, 2007
    what ohms is your cab? maybe get another 410 or a 115?

    andy
     
  3. hawkdiver

    hawkdiver

    Feb 5, 2008
    Problem is the cab im using now is the hartke combo (i know i know never buy combo's lol) so looking for a more modular system.
     
  4. A few years back my main rig was an Ampeg 8x10 and BR-4 head, sounded very good... and dear lord LOUD! I picked up the the whole stack for $1k used. Only complaint was weight.
     
  5. hawkdiver

    hawkdiver

    Feb 5, 2008
    My guitarist is recomending a 4x10 and a 1x15 so i get the punch and the super low end.. but i have NO clue lol.. Im relativly new to bass only been playing about 1.5 yrs. I like the idea cuz my 4x10 sounds great and low end never hurt anyone lol. Just sooo many damn choices out there
     
  6. kraigo

    kraigo

    Jun 21, 2007
    Minneapolis, MN
    I assume the existing 4x10 is eight ohms. The cheapest and most straight forward way ahead is to add a second eight ohm 4x10. If that's not enough, get a different, more powerful head.

    KO

    P.S. Sorry, the above posts weren't there when I wrote that. Often you can still put in any kind of rack mount head in the Hartke "combos".
     
  7. lorenk

    lorenk

    Apr 8, 2008
    Bend, Oregon
    You could snag a good 4x10 cab and get a GK Backline 600 for the money you got for your old rig. The BL600 I tried was definately punch and had some lowend (but I had fallen for the Mesa Boogie 400+ already). The BL600s go for cheap on TB if you like used gear.

    Carvin is another option...haven't tried 'em but people love their Carvins here.

    Other option is maybe try some of Fenders amps...the solid state rigs are not bad, and can definately get a good rock tone, especially when you run a Sansamp BDDI through the effects send/return.

    Edit:
    a 1x15 and 4x10 will not give you super low end and punch...mixing drivers is a bad idea due to phase cancellation or something like that.
     
  8. lorenk

    lorenk

    Apr 8, 2008
    Bend, Oregon
    If you want low end and crazy punch, you could always build one of Greenboys fEarful cabs...I can only imagine the insane lowend a Kappalite 3015LF would give you...

    and I hear they are fairly cheap to build...
     
  9. If it were me...

    Hartke LH500 $350.00 New (500 watts)
    Avatar 4x10 Neo $459.00 New (1,000 watts)
    Avatar 2x12 Neo $398.00 New (500 watts)

    total cost $1,198.00 New (Bliss)
     
  10. hawkdiver

    hawkdiver

    Feb 5, 2008
    So would i get the better sound out of a 6x10 or 8x10 cab and say a GK 1001rbII?
     
  11. 0175westwood29

    0175westwood29

    Sep 16, 2007
    so the head and the cab are together? if its got a extension cab socket just buy ah cab to go with.

    dnt feel bad about combos, ive seen lots of bands using combos as part of there rig.

    andy
     
  12. the problem with both 6 x 10's and 8 x 10's is they are huge and weigh a ton....

    i prefer modular so i can mix and match depending on gig...you get a lot of raised eyebrows when you roll in an 8 x10 for a coffee house gig...

    seriously check out my suggestion can't do better for the price new
     
  13. LaklandBass

    LaklandBass

    Jan 26, 2005
    IL
    if you can move it try to hit up a used ampeg 8x10.
     
  14. You could get building decontruction (darn near anyway) with that setup. Really modular go with 2 212's, I really think the 700RB II would be the best fit though, JIMHO :bassist:
     
  15. 0175westwood29

    0175westwood29

    Sep 16, 2007
    or you could get a 210 115 setup!
     
  16. hawkdiver

    hawkdiver

    Feb 5, 2008
    So snakeman what do you think about the avatar speakers and a GK rb1001-II??? i want TONS of available volume.. for fun.. (and maybe some deconstruction)
     
  17. hawkdiver

    hawkdiver

    Feb 5, 2008
    just ran across a set of warwick 411 pro 4x10 and a 115 pro for 800 bucks brand new.. Any word on those cabs?
     
  18. original street price on the warwick cabs was right around $1,100.00 so $800.00 is a good deal money wise

    but those cabs are rated at 600 watts and 400 watts and you have a big white W painted across the front of your cabs...

    as far as their performance....they sound fine but, are not my cup of tea (you need to really like ported cabs) but if you like them i say win win....oh and the Avatars are much lighter...

    however the Avatars are rated at 1,000 watts and 500 watts
    and run $459.00 for the 4x10 and $389.00 for the 2x12 which puts you right at $945.00

    as far as the GK combined with the Avatars....if you like the GK color again i say win win...

    my suggestion for the Hartke was simply in the spirit of trying to save you some $$$ hard to beat 500 watts for 350.00 and the sound is fairly clear and uncolored when compared with the GK which is about $750.00

    however to really save money you could just add a 1x15, or another 4x10 to your combo

    VX3500-4187ed445201e68993558a9bf398f7d4.

    which i assume is this one from your description....you could add another VX 4x10 for about $300.00, or a VX 1x15 for about $250.00 or even a VX 2x10 for about $200.00
     
  19. Hartke uncolored?:eyebrow: Okay :bag:
    Do appreciate the spirit of saving cash. :)
     

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